Stong enough for rock, Jazzy delicate. But bright

[ANIMALBEATS]

I have Constantinoples (zildjian).

But there just not strong enough for rock, I like bright clear sounds, but i do like trash.

A customs i was considering but i have no experience with sabians.


Gordon.

[the.tree]

A customs would be alright, maybe look into some hhx evolutions or aax cymbals from sabian.

[radiofriendlyunitshifter]

notice that there were no questions asked in either the topic or first post. just declarative sentences.

[Shinx]

Interesting point, wouldn't you say?

HA!

[aydee]

notice that there were no questions asked in either the topic or first post. just declarative sentences.

good observation. maybe thats what he wants us to do. observe his thinking process. Cant wait for their next posts.

[brittc89]

I have Constantinoples (zildjian).

But there just not strong enough for rock, I like bright clear sounds, but i do like trash.

A customs i was considering but i have no experience with sabians.


Gordon.

A customs are zildjian, buddy...

[zambizzi]

notice that there were no questions asked in either the topic or first post. just declarative sentences.

I've been playing Paiste 2oo2s for a few weeks, now.

They are bright, strong, and great for rock.

You will also buy them, play them, and like them.

Thank you, goodbye.

[Guinness]

Most of my cymbals are A Custom Zildjian with the exception of a pair of new-beat hats and a Wuhan China. They are very loud and bright and work well for rock/blues type music which is what I play mostly. The only draw back is that they can be a little too bright at times. I would love to have a few K's in there for a little bit of contrast from time to time. Don't be afraid to mix it up a bit.

[Steamer]

Med weight 22" Istanbul Agop Signature ride or a 22" med. weight Agop Traditional ride.

[tomtom]

1. Sabian HHX groove ride; handles both low volume jazz and loud rock.
2. Paiste Dark Energy Mark II 21" ride; just as versatile as the above, but twice the price.

[gretsch223]

what kind of constantinoples do you have? are you selling them?

[That Guy]

Why in your opinon are the Con's not strong enough for rock? What is it about them? To dark? You did say that you like clear bright sounds and I always thought Con's had a pretty bright sound to begin with. Is there a certain drummer who's cymbal sound your going after?

[Mendozart]

Most of my cymbals are A Custom Zildjian with the exception of a pair of new-beat hats and a Wuhan China. They are very loud and bright and work well for rock/blues type music which is what I play mostly. The only draw back is that they can be a little too bright at times. I would love to have a few K's in there for a little bit of contrast from time to time. Don't be afraid to mix it up a bit.

Guinness,
You should try the Meinl Byzance cymbals, they're amazing. To me, they are a little A & K mixed together. They are handmade Turkish cymbals that are finished in Germany.

[Steamer]

Why in your opinon are the Con's not strong enough for rock? What is it about them? To dark? You did say that you like clear bright sounds and I always thought Con's had a pretty bright sound to begin with. Is there a certain drummer who's cymbal sound your going after?

I'll give you my take on my early issue 20" K Con Light in direct comparison to the 2 Agop rides I currently use for a similar cymbal character. The 20" K Con light sounds stiff with a gongy undertone and some unpleasant high pitch rings and does not project or open up like the 2 Agop SE rides during a side by side comparison at the kit and from out front when being played. I contribute this to the deep and extreme top over machine hammering on the K Con. It does produce a good stick sound but it is quite one dimensional in comparison to the 2 Agop SE rides in direct comparison which have far more projection,complexity with a great woody stick sound and open up much better for crashing with either stick or mallets.

The K Con light is a nice cymbal and is currently up for graps but is certainly no match IMO to either of the 2 Agop SE rides that replaced it in several departments.

[Garvin]

I would think long and hard before I downgraded from constantinoples. I thought that same thing for a year though after I bought my ride and then I heard it on a recording and loved it again. Lots of rockers use constantinoples. I think Jimmy Chamberlain was just in Modern Drummer and they showed a few in his setup. Those are good cymbals for almost anything. I would especially not replace them with lower grade cymbals like A Customs.

[FullerBrushMan]

I agree with Garvin... what you have should work well.... and you may have deep regrets if you do something rash.....

Why don't you try changing sticks...if it's a brighter thing you need get some nylon tips

[That Guy]

IWhy don't you try changing sticks...if it's a brighter thing you need get some nylon tips

Bingo! I was wondering if anyone was going to go there.

[Drummer Karl]

The first cymbal line and brand I have in my head are Istanbul Agop Traditionals...or Bosphorus Traditionals. If you look out for the weight you`d desire those can sound great for "rockier" music but also for the "jazzy" sort of styles.

Maybe give them a listen on www.cymbalsonly.com

Hope I could help a bit... =)

Karl

[Cymbalrider]

ZILDJIAN ARMAND some of the best cymbals on the market right now!

[Ozzy Biz]

Bosphorus Traditionals. I play rock, funk, blues, indie, ska, reggae (rather poorly) and these have never seemed out of place. I'm playing a Heavy Trad ride (never seen or heard of another one) and medium hats, plus crashes. Good sh*t.

[mr_hayward_99]

boshporus traditionsal i havea 22" trad medium . i tried a med thin it and there was not enough stick definition for a ride i wanted but had an amazing crash. i prefer the bosphorus to the istanbul traditionals

i wanted a cymbal with these qualitys. the armand ride is good has a quality crash but the ride is not as good as a bosphorus or a istanbul . the armand is not hand hamered and you seem to get a richer textureoif sound from the istanbul/bosphorus

when i tried a contantinople though it was amazing. high beell med thin i think. beauty cost about £340 though!

got my bopsphorus 22" traditional for £200. a good weigh would probably be a very heavy med-thin or a light ish medium maybe 2800-2900 grams

[Cymbalrider]

Why do people think that Constantinoples are high grade while everything else is lower grade? Constantinoples are just different than A Customs or Ks or Avedis, Armand, etc. They are just cymbals made to have a different sound, it's not like they are superior cymbals. People have this mindset about Ks these days. If it costs more it must be better quality which isn't the case here. They cost more because they take more to make that the As which spin right off the line. The majority of recorded music contains old style Zildjian As, not the Turkish flavored things labeled Ks. I just don't like it when people feel that if they paid $500 for a cymbal that that makes them of the 'refined' taste and that they are now more professional than someone who uses A Zildjians. I haven't heard such things going on with the Sabian crowd, where most people use mixed series anyway. The same goes for Paiste, Bosphorus, Istanbul, Masterworks, Dream, Wuhan...etc. Why is there the need in the Zildjian bunch to feel like some are better than others? Or is it all that once you paid that much for a cymbal you want to simply believe this to justify the expense? I have never liked the sound of K Zildjians myself. I've heard them played in concert halls and they just disappear under anything larger than a jazz quartet. A lot of them are one-dimensional meaning that they pretty much make one noise no matter how you play it. I believe a good cymbal to be one that you can get many different sounds out of. Even with orchestral cymbals, I've noticed that Sabian HH Viennese sound better than Zildjian Constantinoples which cost twice as much. The dryness of the sound, literally, just doesn't cut it. Nothing is wrong with Constantinoples (except for maybe the outrageous price) but that doesn't mean that they are top of the line, and owning them makes you a better drummer.

[bna79]

A custom or normal avedis medium thin, k custom ride, and if you can catch it look out for
UFIP BIONIC OR ROUGH SERIES

[That Guy]

I find it interesting how ANIMALBEATS hasn't responded to any questions or posted here in the thread he started. Its been 6 months.. lol. I guess it's breaths life for people who have the same exact issue. :-/

[Cymbalrider]

I've been waiting to see if angry K users would respond to that. Again, there is nothing wrong with K's just the few people that feel they become superior because they own a few. It's like Golf and people that go in there and buy custom made super alloy clubs and tailored outfits and believe they are better golfers (I won't mention any brands this time) because they have more expensive equipment. It's also just like people who believe that bigger kits and faster playing =better drummer as well. The guy who started this thread said he, himself, was tired of the boring sound of Constantinoples. I think the most musical cymbals out there right now are Bosphorus Traditionals, New Orleans, Antique; from Sabian: HHX Groove; Zildjian: Armand.

[Cymbalrider]

Why would I pay that much money for Ks. If I wanted to spend an incredible amount of money I would buy something like Bosphorus cymbals which I know are of better quality. I love how I bring out a point and then someone claiming it's not true is doing exactly what the arguement was about. I like mine and you like yours, enough said.