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Peter W.
01-26-2007, 02:37 PM
Gentlemen!

What's the difference between Remo vs Evans?

NOT: which do you prefer...
BUT: what is your experiences about the DIFFERENCES between the two brands (comparing equal heads with the same thickness and coating).

Where I live, Evans is a more expensive head. And I once heard, that Remo has got more tone, which I guess leaves Evans as a more controlled head?

Any comments?

Peter W.
01-26-2007, 09:55 PM
Hmm. No respons.

Let me put it this way then: Clear Ambassador vs Evans G1? What's the difference?

wy yung
01-26-2007, 10:18 PM
http://www.evansdrumheads.com/

http://www.remo.com/

rhydianjlewis
01-26-2007, 10:38 PM
http://www.evansdrumheads.com/

http://www.remo.com/

lol, thats a bit of a sarcastic response.

Okay i can answer about the 2 companies with all that i know, but not that much experience comparing the heads myself.

Remo use less technology, have simpler designs, and more of a basic approach.
Some say they have better hoop tension and stay in tune longer. However, they dont seem to have as good quality control as evans. Coating wears quite quickly. Heads feel heavier than evans according to some people, but thicknesses are similar.

Evans are more influenced by technology, they have some better designs than remo (e.g. EC2 over pinstripe). Some say they generally have a darker, dryer tone than remo but it mostly depends on the specific head type. Quality control generally better. Longer lasting coating, heads feel slightly less tough (contreversial oppinion :S)

An evans head is normally more expensive than a remo head.

e.g. remo £10, evans £12, or about that ratio.

thats all i know, i dont know if others will agree, but this is just one 14-year old's knowledge!

:D

IDDrummer
01-26-2007, 10:49 PM
I have found that similar heads from the two companies are not a lot different, but there IS a difference in sound and feel. It is very subtle and hard to describe in words. To me, Remos feel (and sound) a bit livelier, and a bit less boxy than Evans.

I have heard TONS of stuff on the net about Evans being a more durable head, having more durable coating, better quality control, etc. All I can say is that my experiences don't show the Evans heads or coatings to be more durable; in fact, I have found them less durable when comparing the Genera snare drum heads to the coated Ambassador. However, their quality control is very good. I think Remo's quality control problems are perhaps overstated, though - at least, I've not gotten bad heads from Remo. Admittedly, I don't use many two ply heads, and that seems to be what I hear people complain about most. So, who knows.

Hope this helps.

rhydianjlewis
01-26-2007, 11:15 PM
i have to dissgree with the coating thing! if you rub your hand over a coated ambassador after you have used it for a couple of days it will feel pretty smooth, whereas my evans genera heads still feels rough after a week.

IDDrummer
01-26-2007, 11:43 PM
i have to dissgree with the coating thing! if you rub your hand over a coated ambassador after you have used it for a couple of days it will feel pretty smooth, whereas my evans genera heads still feels rough after a week.

That's why I posted that my experience was different than many! I trust your observations, but I also trust mine. I think we just got different results.

I have two snare drums that I use with my kit, and I've done two side-by-side comparisons, changing heads the at the same time. The Evans heads simply wear faster for me - they also show a deeper "pit" after a given amount of time. Not an overwhelming sample, I know, but enough to convince me.

I think what it all shows is that different users are going to get different results. There is nothing like trying things out for yourself!

rhydianjlewis
01-26-2007, 11:50 PM
i did just check my genera, and it has worn smooth now, with a bit of pitting, just because i shared it with other bands at our last gig.

I will have to wait the full life of the head to see what happens.

I agree that different people will have different experiences, i didnt want to sound argumentative, i was just interested to know what circumstances you tested in. Its all part of the learning process :)

Fat Elvis
01-26-2007, 11:57 PM
it may be all in my mind, but i too have my preferences:

toms - evans. Both the G1's and G2's just seem to carry a more projected, deeper tone than the ambassador/emporers. Also, i never have a problem tuning my evans heads -- but i can sometimes wrestle with the remos.

snare - remo. I have tried the G1 and HD dry from evans, but i personally find that nothing compared to a simple coated ambassador. Yes I do agree that the coating does typically wear faster than the evans, but the sound is what matters.

kick - neither. I am a fan of aquarian superkicks (one, two or three). I have tried the others but was not happy.

Skitch
01-27-2007, 06:15 AM
it may be all in my mind, but i too have my preferences:

toms - evans. Both the G1's and G2's just seem to carry a more projected, deeper tone than the ambassador/emporers. Also, i never have a problem tuning my evans heads -- but i can sometimes wrestle with the remos.

snare - remo. I have tried the G1 and HD dry from evans, but i personally find that nothing compared to a simple coated ambassador. Yes I do agree that the coating does typically wear faster than the evans, but the sound is what matters.

kick - neither. I am a fan of aquarian superkicks (one, two or three). I have tried the others but was not happy.

I have to agree on the Aquarian superkicks (as well as the EMAD Evans - most sound engineers give me a bewildered look). I have staunchly used Remo for quite some time now with occassional forays into the other brands. Remo Ambassadors just produce the sound I am looking for right now.

Mike

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maddrummr
01-27-2007, 06:42 AM
Well based on my experience....behind the set I found more tone from the evans compared to remos. Though from a bit of a distance the remo's prevailed.

I think people just try around on brands and stuff and they find something that works for them and stick with it.
Theres no magical drum head that works for exactly every application and every drummer out there.

Idk i guess i was gettin a wee bit off topic there.

hauk
01-27-2007, 07:03 AM
i really like the sound and idea of the EC2s and EMAD, and there's not a clear remo equivilant, so its evans for me. im still searching for the right snare head for me though

Osh
01-27-2007, 10:54 AM
it may be all in my mind, but i too have my preferences:

toms - evans. Both the G1's and G2's just seem to carry a more projected, deeper tone than the ambassador/emporers. Also, i never have a problem tuning my evans heads -- but i can sometimes wrestle with the remos.

snare - remo. I have tried the G1 and HD dry from evans, but i personally find that nothing compared to a simple coated ambassador. Yes I do agree that the coating does typically wear faster than the evans, but the sound is what matters.

kick - neither. I am a fan of aquarian superkicks (one, two or three). I have tried the others but was not happy.

You compare G1/G2 with Ambassador/Emperor... this is one thing I've never understood: What's the diference between Evans G2/Remo Emperor and Evans EC2/Remo Pinstripe?

rhydianjlewis
01-27-2007, 11:21 AM
As i have found out from a thread i posted, G2's And Emperors are pretty similar. On the other hand, even though pinstripes and EC2's are both heads for a similar sound, EC2's are much better than pinstripes unless you want you drums to sound really dead.

wy yung
01-27-2007, 07:29 PM
lol, thats a bit of a sarcastic response.



:D


No, I had very little time. I was in a hurry. I had 2 students directly after this and I know all the information is there.

Osh
01-27-2007, 08:40 PM
As i have found out from a thread i posted, G2's And Emperors are pretty similar. On the other hand, even though pinstripes and EC2's are both heads for a similar sound, EC2's are much better than pinstripes unless you want you drums to sound really dead.

But what's the diference? EC2, Pinstripe, G2 and Emperors are all 2 ply, so what is the diference between the EC2 and the G2, and the Emperor and pinstripe?

rhydianjlewis
01-27-2007, 08:48 PM
Oh, sorry osh!

G2's and emperors are just simply 2 plies of film which aren't glued together in any way.

In Pinstripes, the film is glued together at the edge (from the stripe outwards) to remove overtones.

The EC2's have a silver strip near the edge of the head, stuck to the underside, also to remove overtones.

Osh
01-27-2007, 10:21 PM
Oh, sorry osh!

G2's and emperors are just simply 2 plies of film which aren't glued together in any way.

In Pinstripes, the film is glued together at the edge (from the stripe outwards) to remove overtones.

The EC2's have a silver strip near the edge of the head, stuck to the underside, also to remove overtones.

ah! thanks a lot Rhyds.

rhydianjlewis
01-27-2007, 10:38 PM
Us welshies ought to stick together eh? lol

kjm
05-15-2009, 04:51 AM
remo is a great company however evans i feel has always been one step ahead....overall as far as sound goes they about even out remo is great for more tone full sounds and evans is perfect for warm beefy fat tones with quick decay however evans got this edge by making all their heads more durable so in order to have a response to evans success fans and company started admitting that evans were more durable but remo had the better sound so people believe that you have it one way or another and you cant be the best at both but i assure you trying different brands and models of heads on the same sizes drums and with precision tuning evans has turned out the best in every environment/situation

grooveweapon
05-15-2009, 07:47 PM
From my experiences working in a music shop, and selling and using both Remo and Evans heads I would say...

...Evans seem to be more consistent from head to head. If you pulled out 5 clear G1 heads and 5 clear ambassadors and did a tap test, you're probably going to hear 4 out of the 5 Evans heads sound very similar, where a lot of the Remo's will have minor variances. If you're after consistency, and you like Evans sound, no reason to switch. Some people might like the individuality of each Remo head, it all depends.

As for durability, I find them to be quite similar, but I do seem to get a better longevity from Evans heads in the tone department. Remo heads sound seem to have a "sweet period" where they sound their best after being broken in, but then the tone dies quicker. Interestingly enough, D'Addario strings currently own Evans heads and I have heard numerous guitar players say that D'Addario strings sound good longer than any other string. Maybe they use some technology that helps them get the results they want.

synthesaur
12-11-2009, 07:12 PM
I tried Evans many times and always came back to Remo.
Evans seemed too plasticky and would not seat nicely on the bearing edge at low tension.
Maybe I should give them another try?

sqadan
12-11-2009, 08:13 PM
I tried Evans many times and always came back to Remo.
Evans seemed too plasticky and would not seat nicely on the bearing edge at low tension.
Maybe I should give them another try?

This is my experience with Evans... They sound "thwacky" or plasticky to me as well... I could care less how fast the coating wears off the center of the head - I rarely play with brushes. If there is any actual difference - it would be in the formulation of the mylar used, and the collar design.

I also feel like Evans heads don't do as well as Remo at lower tensions... they always seem dead to me at JAW tunings.

Again - though the OP wants to know what the actual physical differences are - so if anybody knows - please chime in.

TheArchitect
12-11-2009, 09:18 PM
The difference in tone between clear G1 and cl;ear ambassadors is nil. I could not tell them apart in a blind test. The coating used by each is different so you get a more noticeable difference there..

I have a set of Clear G2's that are not bad. I rarely go the 2 ply route though. From simple tap tests when I made the purchase, the emperors "seemed" to resonate a bit better but the difference was minimal.

As for Pinstripes vs EC1/2, I did not like the sound of them. no high end and rather dead sounding. I have not used the pinstripes since high school band when they were popular on quads. Never used them on a kit.

mrmike
12-12-2009, 04:26 AM
I find that Evans G1's sound great as soon as you put them on where Ambassadors take a little breaking in. I like the sound of both and sometimes have a hard time deciding which one to buy. Right now I favor Aquarian Satin Finish for my wood snares but did not care for them on my Black Beauty.

LeopoldGold1
12-22-2010, 04:36 PM
Here's what I've found...Remo's coating DOES wear away more quickly, but both heads seem to be equally durable. Evans' heads DO sound great right away without the "break in" period and hold their tone longer. Also, Evans is way ahead of Remo in being innovative and offering very useful options for drummers. However, Remo offers heads in all sizes. For example, I prefer a single ply or two ply head on my 26" bass drum without any pre-muffling, I can get that from Remo but not from Evans. Evans caters to drummers who use 22" kicks or smaller and I wrote them to complain about it. Evans responded within a couple of days and told me that since larger bass drums aren't as popular, they no longer make G1 or G2's in larger sizes...that bothers me to no end. I also used to get buzzing noises from Remo's two ply heads on my toms and that's when I switched to Evans, which does not have the annoying buzz like the Remos did. So, all in all, Evans is the better choice, especially if you prefer the standard kick drum sizes. I'm a little late posting for this, but, maybe this helps. Merry Christmas to all!

defregano
12-23-2010, 04:36 AM
i agree with evans having a more "plasticy" sound. If you take a g2/g1 in your hand and hold it from the mylar between your fingers and shake it you"ll notice that theres a lot more movement going on with the film compared to an emperor/ambassador which have a tighter feel to them. I think the plasticy, flappy sound you get on evans heads is attributed to this "looseness" of the mylar. I Dont know exactly what is giving each manufacturer these characteristics. Maybe its the film...maybe its in the hoop.

defregano
12-23-2010, 04:38 AM
just noticed this thread is really old!

droveto
12-23-2010, 04:48 AM
I have found that similar heads from the two companies are not a lot different, but there IS a difference in sound and feel. It is very subtle and hard to describe in words. To me, Remos feel (and sound) a bit livelier, and a bit less boxy than Evans.

I have heard TONS of stuff on the net about Evans being a more durable head, having more durable coating, better quality control, etc. All I can say is that my experiences don't show the Evans heads or coatings to be more durable; in fact, I have found them less durable when comparing the Genera snare drum heads to the coated Ambassador. However, their quality control is very good. I think Remo's quality control problems are perhaps overstated, though - at least, I've not gotten bad heads from Remo. Admittedly, I don't use many two ply heads, and that seems to be what I hear people complain about most. So, who knows.

Hope this helps.

I've had a lot of use with the two difference companies and this is about exactly how I feel about them. I've never seen an Evans head uncrimp, but I have seen it in a Remo but I much prefer the feel of the remo.

RAWKFIST1989
12-23-2010, 05:03 AM
i really like the sound and idea of the EC2s and EMAD, and there's not a clear remo equivilant, so its evans for me. im still searching for the right snare head for me though

I also like the EC2's and for the snare head I like the evans power center.

Sever Dismember Drummer
08-18-2011, 09:46 PM
first of all it really depends on what genre you play, how hard you play and what kind of snare response you want to achieve. if you want a more lively sound, to show off the really nice sound of perhaps a wood snare go for the ambassadors, if you don't enjoy overtones very much go with the evans genera HD dry if your snare is overtly ringy (which is usually due to off-tuning, so just tune up the snare properly and see if this helps). if you go through heads like a mofo and hit very hard then you might be interested in a evans hybrid (expensive!) which allows your head to last longer at the same time not giving up to much of your snare's response/attack.

personally, I play technical death metal -- I just like using good ole remo ambassadors, they have so much give and are the least "invasive" head to the snare's natural sound. evans heads tend to mute tones and take away much needed attack (for extreme metal).

I have a pork pie maple snare, and i like a little bit of ring to it for blast beats, and the natural tone of the snare itself, and I dont hit TOO hard so they last me a few months.

if you have too many undertones going on that are not to your liking, try moon gel.

KarlCrafton
08-18-2011, 10:38 PM
HOLY COW!!! This thread is 4 years old!!! And I'm responding haha!

Evans make great products with great quality, so does Remo.

I've heard people say Remos coating flakes off, but it's not something that happens to any heads I get.

In 35+ years I may have had one or 2 Remo heads pull out of the hoop (one of which was for sure a snare side), and a couple '"dead' Emperors. Any of which were replaced by the shop, no problem, and it was years ago (almost 10, so it really does qualify as "years ago").

For the last million years, I've picked every head before I even take them to the counter, so it never happens now.
The shop always seems to have all good sounding heads ("tap test"), so out of the set, I just pick the ones that sound best together to me.

I'd do that regardless of brand, so it's not a Remo vs. Evans thing, where one is more consistent.
I never buy heads online or at GC.

Personally, I just like the sound of Remo better.
I used to use Evans also, but that was when they had the UNO 58 heads available.

I also like that with Remo I don't have to have a freakin' dampening ring on my bass drum head if I don't want one. Evans barely offer a 26" head--which is what I play, and they ALL have a ring.
Remo offer MOST of their different heads up to 28" (so your whole kit can have a consistent sound)
Evans only had a few models that go past 22 or 24 for a bass drum--but they also have the dampening ring on them.

As for sound differences, on a standard coated or clear 1& 2 ply head, & FOR ME, I find the Evans to have have a slightly more "contained" sound.
Doesn't make them better or worse, it's just a little different, and I like the sound of the Remo offerings more.
Remo also sounds a little drier and crisper, which I also like.

Evans heads are great, and I like the sound of them when other people play them, but when I play, and on my drums, I like the Remo sound better.

AudioWonderland
08-18-2011, 10:44 PM
Hmm. No respons.

Let me put it this way then: Clear Ambassador vs Evans G1? What's the difference?

None that I can tell

Zickos
08-18-2011, 10:52 PM
I've played both Evans and Remo for several years. As far as coating on snare heads, I use a lot of brush work and I don't notice any difference in them loosing coating.


The shop always seems to have all good sounding heads ("tap test"), so out of the set, I just pick the ones that sound best together to me.



I'm just curious. How do you do a "tap test" on an untensioned head?

mediocrefunkybeat
08-18-2011, 11:53 PM
I tend to find that Remo heads 'feel' a little thinner by comparison (perhaps a thinner coating?) and tune up high better. I like my heads quite old and I tend to keep them on my kits for years - the current crop is at least four years old! I play with Ambassadors all-around (and sometimes a Diplomat on my snares) and always found them to be perfectly consistent and high-quality. Never had a problem with flaking, either.

The only thing I will say against Remo is how quickly the heads get dirty when you play with brushes. That was something I noticed a few months ago when I was helping a friend out with a University recital. After about three hours of rehearsal, my snare head was an interesting shade of grey! Didn't affect the sound too badly though and the head is fine. Evans heads never got that dirty when I used to use them on my snare.

I don't know what it is, but I prefer Remo heads. Evans heads are great and if no Remo heads are available, I'm quite happy to use them. One of my kits uses Evans resonant heads (which really are great) all-around. There's not much between them really - just in my experience, Remo heads respond to my tuning needs a little better.

KarlCrafton
08-19-2011, 12:11 AM
I've played both Evans and Remo for several years. As far as coating on snare heads, I use a lot of brush work and I don't notice any difference in them loosing coating.



I'm just curious. How do you do a "tap test" on an untensioned head?

Hold the rim and tap the head and check the tone.

No tone, dead head. Pick a different one.
Works on anything up to an 18" well.

If a 2 ply sounds too flappy, or dull, pick a different one.

veggo32
08-20-2011, 05:52 AM
Old thread, but heres my 2cents.
Remo=best Tone period

PeteN
08-20-2011, 06:17 AM
Old thread, but heres my 2cents.
Remo=best Tone period

Hey... I thought you were using Aquarian super 2 heads and very happy with them? Curious if you had a change of heart?

larryace
08-20-2011, 07:42 AM
Remo and Evans both use the same film, made by DuPont. I always wondered about that, and Rick (the president of Evans) confirmed it. They do sound different though. If you pinned me down I'd say that Remo is the dryer sounding head, by a small margin.

Pollyanna
08-20-2011, 07:57 AM
If you're using brushes, for me, coating curability goes in this order - Aquarian, Evans, then Remo. I also find Remos lose tone more quickly. Still, that sweet spot period with Remos is alluring.

Recently bought a new Ambassador after not using them on my snare for a fair while. One thing I noticed is the coating seems more even than on the head I bought a couple of years ago that had some very rough patches that were catching on the brushes until being worn down a bit. Have they lifted their game recently or was that a one-off?

Pocket-full-of-gold
08-20-2011, 08:08 AM
Have they lifted their game recently or was that a one-off?

Much conjecture regarding the "durability" of Remo heads on this forum Pol. None of it seems to have appeared in this (resurrected) thread, but I'm sure it will. For a while there I was convinced that Remo sent all the good heads downunder and left the junk for the Yanks, they were getting such a bad wrap.

I've been using them forever and can't say I've noticed premature wear on the coating in that whole time. Coating comes off all heads.....eventually.....including Evans. But guys here were talking as if they didn't last 5 minutes. I've just never noticed that to be the case. Perhaps they just dropped the ball for the 4 or 5 years I had away from it and recovered in time for my illustrious return? :-)


As for the thread. Remo for me. I'll happily use Evans anytime. They make fine drum heads (although I can certainly hear slight variations between like heads offered by the two brands. i.e An Emporer and a G2). I've leant on them before and I'm sure I will again.....but this creature of habit knows what he prefers and Remo happen to be it.

Pollyanna
08-20-2011, 02:40 PM
For a while there I was convinced that Remo sent all the good heads downunder and left the junk for the Yanks, they were getting such a bad wrap.

I've been using them forever and can't say I've noticed premature wear on the coating in that whole time. Coating comes off all heads.....eventually.....including Evans. But guys here were talking as if they didn't last 5 minutes.

I never had probs with Remo when I was playing rock but I had issues with an Ambassador a couple of years ago with my current band band.

I use brushes a fair bit and the coating with uneven, with bits sticking up and catching the brush. Then the coating wore down so fast I was amazed. After that I bought an Evans for the first time and the coating was great, although like others here I found it had a tad less tone than a Remo in its sweet spot period. When it eventually lost tone I bought an Aquarian, which had the durability of the Evans and tone more like a Remo.

Now that the Aquarian is past its prime I've bought another Remo. The coating on the new head seems more consistent and solid like the other two brands. I'll put it on this week and see how it rolls next practice.

EvansSpecialist
08-22-2011, 12:53 AM
Remo and Evans both use the same film, made by DuPont. I always wondered about that, and Rick (the president of Evans) confirmed it. They do sound different though. If you pinned me down I'd say that Remo is the dryer sounding head, by a small margin.

Quoting Rick:

Mylar is a trade name for Dupont and the answer to your question is it depends on the type of head. There are actually a few different manufacturers of polyester film and Dupont is a source for some of the heads for Remo and Evans.

Both companies make different drumheads and while there may be some similarities in film use between us, not everything is the same.

veggo32
08-24-2011, 07:39 PM
Hey... I thought you were using Aquarian super 2 heads and very happy with them? Curious if you had a change of heart?

PeteN, yes I am using super 2's and yes I am very happy with them. Heres the thing, a) I'm not endorsed b) I have a mortgage and a job c) when I'm in the market for heads I try to stretch my dollar by getting the best sounding long lasting heads on the market;
There are a couple of things I look at when I purchase heads. First off and I give these the same amount of weight. Durability, response and tone are at the top of my list. Ergo the Aquarian Super 2's. Double ply 5mil + 7mil, nice stick response and a very nice tone to them. I like them better than G2's/emp's mostly becase of the response.

Now, there is only one head that I would rather have, problem is its not long lasting. Tone wise its unbeatable imo and that is the Remo Ambassador, best head ever made imo.

So yes, I am very happy with the super2's. I've had my super 2's for 6 months (practicing or gigging daily) and they still sound good, For now the only drum that get's the Ambassador treatment is my snare. I can not live without an ambassador on my snare.

PeteN
08-24-2011, 08:30 PM
PeteN, yes I am using super 2's and yes I am very happy with them. Heres the thing, a) I'm not endorsed b) I have a mortgage and a job c) when I'm in the market for heads I try to stretch my dollar by getting the best sounding long lasting heads on the market;
There are a couple of things I look at when I purchase heads. First off and I give these the same amount of weight. Durability, response and tone are at the top of my list. Ergo the Aquarian Super 2's. Double ply 5mil + 7mil, nice stick response and a very nice tone to them. I like them better than G2's/emp's mostly becase of the response.

Now, there is only one head that I would rather have, problem is its not long lasting. Tone wise its unbeatable imo and that is the Remo Ambassador, best head ever made imo.

So yes, I am very happy with the super2's. I've had my super 2's for 6 months (practicing or gigging daily) and they still sound good, For now the only drum that get's the Ambassador treatment is my snare. I can not live without an ambassador on my snare.

Thanks for clearing that up....

BTW - Eimai Malakas ;-)

veggo32
08-25-2011, 02:00 AM
Thanks for clearing that up....

BTW - Eimai Malakas ;-)

BTW-Den eisai malakas.

PeteN
08-25-2011, 02:05 AM
BTW-Den eisai malakas.

lol...thanks my friend!

tard
08-25-2011, 02:36 AM
neither, aquarian for me, tried them all, keep coming back to aquarian, they cost less and dont go dead nearly as fast, but thats just my experience with heads and my playing style, plus the studio x and super kick models have no equivelant heads from the others

JDC
08-29-2011, 05:20 AM
Much of what I'm about to say has been said in some form or another, but here's my view:

I couldn't tell the difference in sound between similar Remo and Evans heads, but here's what I do know:

I stopped using Remos (first Powerstroke 3 then coated Emperors) on my snare drum a long time ago because I hit hard and they kept "pulling out" at the collar. I've NEVER had a coated G2 pull out on me. And shortly after transitioning to Evans, I noticed the coating took forever to wear off.

Although they're superior in durability (in my experience) I like the way Remos look better than Evans heads. Seems trivial, but it's true. I like the Fiberskyn on the front of my kick drum especially.

Best kick drum batter though, is the Aquarian Superkick I (NOT the 2-ply Superkick II - way too dead). I have a Powerstroke 3 on my 22" kick now. Not the worst head I've played (that'd be the Evans EQ4) but nothing like the Superkick.

Durability has a lot to do with how hard you hit and what kind of sticks you use. I switched from Vater Fusion sticks to the Vater Fatback 3A and noticed my clear tom heads lasted a lot longer.

Pocket-full-of-gold
08-29-2011, 05:30 AM
.......... I like the way Remos look better than Evans heads. Seems trivial, but it's true.

That made me laugh. I think Remo heads just look better too. Stupid isn't it? Yet it is true indeed. :-)

sticks4drums
08-29-2011, 05:45 AM
Remo rules, Evans drools. :)

EvansSpecialist
08-29-2011, 04:14 PM
neither, aquarian for me, tried them all, keep coming back to aquarian, they cost less...

Really? Almost every comparison I've done shows Evans as costing less than both Aquarian and Remo.

That made me laugh. I think Remo heads just look better too. Stupid isn't it? Yet it is true indeed. :-)

Is this mainly because of the aesthetic of the Fiberskyn or does this apply to coated and clear heads as well?

Remo rules, Evans drools. :)

Ouch!

keep it simple
08-29-2011, 04:19 PM
Remo rules, Evans drools. :)Yeah, drummers often drool over the sound of my drums fitted with Evans heads!

Pocket-full-of-gold
08-30-2011, 01:01 AM
Is this mainly because of the aesthetic of the Fiberskyn or does this apply to coated and clear heads as well?


No mate, my reasons are far, far more feeble than that. It's purely down to the logo.....exceptionally sad, but true nonetheless. Much in the same way that I prefer the look of an Imperial lug and a Keystone badge on a Ludwig snare. :-)

I have experience with your G1's, G2's and Hazy 300's. As I stated earlier, I think you guys make a fine drum head and I'd happily use them again.....if you check my posts you'll find I refer people to Evans heads as often as I recommend Remo. I'm neither blind nor biased as to the relative "equality" between the two. It's just my first choice is a Remo head. I'm guessing it's because I've been using them forever and unlike many of my DW counterparts have never suffered the supposed durability issues that I see many refer to. I think it's purely a case of 'old habits die hard'.

Drumolator
08-30-2011, 02:43 AM
I prefer Evans because they tune up quicker when new and stay in tune better than any other head I have tried. I am good at tuning because I have been doing it since 1967, and I have experimented a lot. Now that Evans has a head with a "dot", they have everything I would need. I really like EC2 heads. Peace and goodwill.

Jeremy Bender
09-04-2011, 08:58 PM
I put a new Evans EC1 with the patch underneath on my Ludwig hammered bronze 6 1/2x14.
The jury is still out but I believe I like it. It tuned up a little easier than a Remo Ambassador, it's rather sensitive for a head that can take a pounding. Interestingly enough, it also rings quite a bit for its thickness. It sounded to me like the head allowed more of the shell character to come out.

It's strange to go from playing a coated Ambassador on this drum for years and then changing over to something like this. I wonder how it would sound under studio micing.

tard
09-05-2011, 02:02 AM
Really? Almost every comparison I've done shows Evans as costing less than both Aquarian and Remo.

i used a clear one ply just to keep things even and simple and went with music 123 because they have free shipping and fairly competitive prices.

aquarian 16" $12.94 12" $10.29

evans 16" $14.70 12" $11.57

remo 16" $16.20 12" $12.58

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aquarian-Cla...item7217dce78b

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Evans-G1-Cle...item746bd21c94

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Remo-Weather...item7217de2ca2

i actually get mine here in canada from long and mcquade and there is even a bigger difference.

aquarian 14 coated $9.60
evans 14 clear $14.50
remo 14 clear $18.50

http://www.long-mcquade.com/products/12390/Drums/Drum_Heads/Aquarian/14_Inch_Texture_Coated_Head.htm
http://www.long-mcquade.com/products/4753/Drums/Drum_Heads/Evans/TT06GR_-_6_Inch_Genera_Clear_Resonant_Drumhead.htm
http://www.long-mcquade.com/products/2495/Drums/Drum_Heads/Remo/10_Inch_Emperor_Clear_Batter.htm

scorch whammin
09-05-2011, 02:04 AM
Evans....coated finishes are more durable, heads stay in tune better and overall they last longer..

sticks4drums
09-05-2011, 02:19 AM
Evans....coated finishes are more durable, heads stay in tune better and overall they last longer..
In your opinion. :) You forgot that. The important part is that Remo sounds better. :)

tard
09-05-2011, 02:35 AM
Evans....coated finishes are more durable, heads stay in tune better and overall they last longer..

thats not the experience ive had with my style and the music im playing, the aquarians last 3 to 4 times longer and the heads that i have found to sound the best on my kit have no equivalent from evans or remo.

GRUNTERSDAD
09-05-2011, 02:47 AM
Remo rules, Evans drools. :)

I remember my 6 year old son saying Boys rule, girls drool. Nice mature answer stix.

Remo heads are cheaper to buy the first time, but who wants to keep buying heads when Evans will last longer in the long run.

sticks4drums
09-05-2011, 03:14 AM
I remember my 6 year old son saying Boys rule, girls drool. Nice mature answer stix.

Remo heads are cheaper to buy the first time, but who wants to keep buying heads when Evans will last longer in the long run.
I was just kidding there Grunts. Don't take life so seriously. :) I think your out of reach Avatar pic is starting to frustrate you.

sticks4drums
09-05-2011, 03:24 AM
Do these questions ever reveal anything important?

GRUNTERSDAD
09-05-2011, 05:39 AM
Do these questions ever reveal anything important?

Why would they? Don't take life so seriously. My avatar is very much in reach.

scorch whammin
09-06-2011, 01:13 AM
thats not the experience ive had with my style and the music im playing, the aquarians last 3 to 4 times longer and the heads that i have found to sound the best on my kit have no equivalent from evans or remo.

Aquarians weren't in the mix on the original question...I have tried them as well...they're good heads as well...I just prefer Evans...

scorch whammin
09-06-2011, 01:14 AM
In your opinion. :) You forgot that. The important part is that Remo sounds better. :)

My opinion is the only opinion that matters...in my world..:)...and no remo heads do not sound better...

randomrod
08-08-2012, 02:24 AM
Hi guys!

I recently treated myself to a Ludwig Supraphonic LM402.
Immediately I had to replace the Ludwig Weather Master medium head which came with the drum.
It was impossible to tune. At all.
Thomann were good enough to send me a coated Ambassador FOC.

Before that arrived I'd ordered a couple of Aquarian Texture Coated heads to try.

I'd like to point out that my recent Gretsch kit came with Evans Genera G1s as standard and an Emad bass drum batter.

Anyhoo, the Evans G1s on snares and toms have sounded generally good and have tuned up fairly easily.

I tried 2 identical Aquarian 14" Texture Coated heads on the Ludwig one after the other. Still couldn't properly tune the drum evenly. By this point I was beginning to fear my new drum was out of round. As soon as I tried cranking up the pitch it exaggerated the tuning inequalities.

I'd had enough by now, then remembered the Remo Coated Ambassador.
It tuned up straight away and I was able to take it through the whole spectrum of tension keeping constant even tuning throughout.

Good old Remo? Definitely in this case.
I think Evans Coated G1s are equally as good, but was surprised and disappointed by the Aquarians.

The moral of the story?

Don't despair with your troublesome snare - it may just be the head causing you tuning problems.

Thanks for reading,

Much love to the drumming fraternity,

Rod.

tard
08-08-2012, 06:15 AM
I tried 2 identical Aquarian 14" Texture Coated heads on the Ludwig one after the other. Still couldn't properly tune the drum evenly. By this point I was beginning to fear my new drum was out of round. As soon as I tried cranking up the pitch it exaggerated the tuning inequalities.

I'd had enough by now, then remembered the Remo Coated Ambassador.
It tuned up straight away and I was able to take it through the whole spectrum of tension keeping constant even tuning throughout.

Good old Remo? Definitely in this case.
I think Evans Coated G1s are equally as good, but was surprised and disappointed by the Aquarians.


Something doesnt seem quite right. In 15 years I have never had a problem with even one head and to have 2 at once that would not tune, there is a problem there somewhere, call Roy, I am sure if there is a problem with the heads he will give you new ones, but if you not going to do anything with them I would be happy to take them off your hands.

JesusMySavior
08-22-2012, 07:07 AM
Remo IN MY OPINION make better basic heads - i.e. no muffling. Their industry standard Ambassadors and Emperors (barring their recent QC drop) sound a bit better than the Evans counterparts (G1 and G2). This is not to say the Evans G1 or G2 are bad heads. Not at all. On the other hand, any head that has internal or external muffling, power dots, or anything EXTRA, I tend to go with Evans because their technology seems to be a bit more advanced and/or better accomplished than Remo.

Case in point - an EC2 versus a Pinstripe. Are you kidding? There's absolutely no contest. EC2's rip the Pinstripes in every way possible. Same way with the Powerstroke 3. The bass head is fine but the toms and snare PS3's are just terrible. EC1's blow them out of the water.


So I say Remo for basic heads, Evans for anything beyond that.

drumphil31
09-13-2012, 03:47 AM
evans is like sabian cymbals,they just dont have the tone that remo or zildjian does.its a very distinct sound,either you hear it or you dont.thank god for zildjian and remo...

tard
09-13-2012, 04:31 AM
evans is like sabian cymbals,they just dont have the tone that remo or zildjian does.its a very distinct sound,either you hear it or you dont.thank god for zildjian and remo...

More like, thank god for Sabian and Aquarian. Although both Zildjian and Sabian are both top quality cymbals you do realize that Sabian is actually closer to the original Zildjian than Zildjian when it comes to the original recipes and manufacturing techniques and when it comes to heads, sound wise as well as durability IMO Remo is the the bottom of the barrel.

Pocket-full-of-gold
09-13-2012, 04:56 AM
.........you do realize that Sabian is actually closer to the original Zildjian than Zildjian when it comes to the original recipes and manufacturing techniques.......

It's a romantic notion that I've certainly heard before........no doubt stemming from the early days of Sabian when they were trying to get their name out and about and were happy to spin whatever tale they thought would best help shift their product. But the simple fact still remains, I have never heard a Sabian cymbal that even remotely resembles an old 50's or 60's Zildjian A anyway.

Not that that's a bad thing....it just is......If I ran the company I'd want them to have their own voice too. But it just seems to me that it's commonly used to spruik the merrits of Sabian cymbals, when the argument misses the mark completely anyway.

tard
09-13-2012, 05:52 AM
It's a romantic notion that I've certainly heard before........no doubt stemming from the early days of Sabian when they were trying to get their name out and about and were happy to spin whatever tale they thought would best help shift their product.

Not just a tale. Before the brothers parted company Robert Zildjian ran Zildjian's Canadian plant in Meductic New Brunswick where all the Zildjian A's and some K's were made and after the split Robert changed the name to Sabian (named after his 3 kids Sally, Bill and Andy) and kept the same people and the same machinery and any pies that had not been stamped Zildjian were now stamped Sabian and even if they had wanted to advertise that fact they were not allowed by law but both brothers were legally entitled to use the family recipes and techniques handed down. When they parted ways the only thing that changed was the name on the front of the building.

Living only 3 hours from the plant and a personal friend of one of the employees my parents were able to get me a set of Zildjian high hats direct from the plant not too long before the change in the early 80's.

If you still dont believe it do a google search and you will find that although they have experimented and innovated with their other models the Sabian HH and AA's both still use the traditional Zildjian family bell bronze alloy and techniques.

Pocket-full-of-gold
09-13-2012, 06:03 AM
Not just a tale. Before the brothers parted company Robert Zildjian ran Zildjian's Canadian plant in Meductic New Brunswick where all the Zildjian A's and some K's were made and after the split Robert changed the name to Sabian (named after his 3 kids Sally, Bill and Andy) and kept the same people and the same machinery and any pies that had not been stamped Zildjian were now stamped Sabian and even if they had wanted to advertise that fact they were not allowed by law but both brothers were legally entitled to use the family recipes and techniques handed down.

Living only 3 hours from the plant and a personal friend of one of the employees my parents were able to get me a set of Zildjian high hats direct from the plant not too long before the change in the early 80's.

If you still dont believe it do a google search and you will find that although they have experimented and innovated with their other models the Sabian HH and AA's both still use the traditional Zildjian family bell bronze alloy and techniques.

It's not the history that I dispute. It's the claim that because Sabian uses the "traditional family recipe" and manufacturing techniques that they are closer to older Zildjians than current Zildjian models are.

Despite what they tell us, I'm yet to hear a Sabian that sounds anything like an old Zildjian A or K......that particular claim is nothing more than marketing hype. Of that I'm convinced.

tard
09-13-2012, 06:24 AM
It's not the history that I dispute. It's the claim that because Sabian uses the "traditional family recipe" and manufacturing techniques that they are closer to older Zildjians than current Zildjian models are.

Despite what they tell us, I'm yet to hear a Sabian that sounds anything like an old Zildjian A or K......that particular claim is nothing more than marketing hype. Of that I'm convinced.

You can believe what you want but I know for an absolute FACT that basically what was being shipped out the plant door as a Zildjian one day was shipped as a Sabian the next as there were hundreds possibly thousands of pies, formed, hammered and lathed cymbals at various stages in production ant the time of the name change.

Of course you wont find a new Sabian that sounds like an old Zildjian, you also wont find a new Sabian that sounds like an old Sabian, nor will you even find a new Sabian that sounds like a new Sabian, or a new Zildjian that sounds like a new Zildjian because no 2 cymbals sound the same, not even within the same the same size, model and finish.

As far as im concerned the "which is better" argument between Sabian and Zildjian is almost the same as arguing over which pickup truck is better, Chev or GMC...

Pocket-full-of-gold
09-13-2012, 06:31 AM
As far as im concerned the "which is better" argument between Sabian and Zildjian is almost the same as arguing over which pickup truck is better, Chev or GMC...

Of that, we are in total agreement.

EvansSpecialist
09-13-2012, 10:01 PM
evans is like sabian cymbals,they just dont have the tone that remo or zildjian does.its a very distinct sound,either you hear it or you dont.thank god for zildjian and remo...

Which models of heads do you play?

KarlCrafton
09-15-2012, 04:26 AM
evans is like sabian cymbals,they just dont have the tone that remo or zildjian does.its a very distinct sound,either you hear it or you dont.thank god for zildjian and remo...


The reason I switched to Sabian from Zildjian, is the Zildjian cymbals coming out of the factory in 2000-2001 just plain SUCKED compared to what they were putting out a few years before then. They aslo discontinued a few cymbals that I was using and I couldn't get them anymore. Once Zildjian discontinues something, that's it. They are gone. Period. They WON'T make one and don't take special orders.

Sabian doesn't do that, they'll take special size orders, or make something custom.

Maybe it's a generational thing, IDK, but if YOU like how Zildjian's sound, that's great, and they make cymbal sounds that you dig.
I played Zildjian for 25 years starting in 1975. The AA cymbals Sabian makes sound more like the Classic "A Zildjian" 70's, and 80's Zildjian cymbals. A Medium from Sabian is a Medium, and a Med. Thin is a Med. Thin, not heavier and clangier sounding than what they were supposed to be (or were back in the day with Zildjian).

The Sabian factory is the factory that made the re-introduced Zildjian K's, and some other lines when Zildjian needed more production before the split. Neil Peart's "famous" ride came from the Canadian factory--even though it's a Zildjian A, and the A's were coming from the American factory.
The formula the companies use is still the same. The way they make them into a cymbal is different, as Zildjian NOW uses little handwork in their production these days. As little as possible to my ears, but to each their own.

I haven't heard a cymbal out there now that really sounds like the 50's and 60's A Zildjian cymbals though. They do sound different, and they are a lot thinner than what's usually in shops to pick from. Pretty cool cymbals for sure. My boss has several I'd like to get my hands on...

I like both Remo and Evans heads, but Remo has a sound and performance I like a little better, so I use them.

KarlCrafton
09-15-2012, 04:36 AM
Evans Specialist--does Evans offer a Coated G1 in 26"?
Any 26" bass drum heads without a control ring?

audiotech
09-15-2012, 06:06 AM
Evans Specialist--does Evans offer a Coated G1 in 26"?
Any 26" bass drum heads without a control ring?

According to the most recent information that I have, they do in both clear and coated and up to a 28" diameter. The way things get changed around a bit at Evans, this information may not be correct at this particular day and time.

Dennis

Mark_S
09-16-2012, 11:08 AM
I flirt with Evans occasionally, and Aquarian, but usually end up back at Remo. I had a set of Aquarian Satin Finish years ago that sounded amazing to me. Just try them all, it's fun exploring and making your own decisions.