Cymbal Rundown

[bonzo49]

Could some one give me a list of all lines, in order of level, within in each of the big 3. (Paistie, Sabian and Zildjian)

Thanks

Tom

[Cymbalrider]

Check the websites of each...the technology is amazing.. and you can hear sound files...see pictures, etc.

[TopCat]

You're lucky i'm bored.


Paiste:
Traditionals
New Signature
Signature
Signature Reflector (still in production?)

2002
RUDE
Noise Works
Giant Beat

Alpha
PST 5
PST 3
201 Bronze
101 Bronze


* 302, 402, 502, 802 popular budget level cymbals from the 1990s - early 2000s, in 1997 were enhanced sonically and received the plus-labeling and the addition of the 802. Discontinued in 2005 from the way of the new Paiste Sound Technology-, or PST-lines.
* Formula 602 series, made from B20 bronze, first released in 1957. These cymbals have a dedicated group of fans. Many examples of the heavier types still exist, butthe paper-thin crashes are rare and almost priceless, other models vary between these extremes.
* 101 series, different from current 101, beginner level cymbals made of nickel silver, produced from 1974 to -79.
* 404 series, beginner level CuSn8-cymbals, produced from 1974 to 1985.
* 505 series, advanced student CuSn8-cymbals, produced from 1974 to 1985.
* 100 series, beginner level cymbals made of Paiste's Brass Alloy, produced from 1986 until the beginning of the 1990s.
* 200 series, beginner level cymbals made of Paiste's Brass Alloy, produced from 1986 until the beginning of the 1990s.
* 400 series, advanced student cymbals made of CuSn8 bronze, produced from 1986 until the beginning of the 1990s. Was also available with COLORSOUND finishes.
* 500 series, orchestral/marching cymbals made of CuSn8 bronze, produced from 1986 until the beginning of the 1990s. Was also available with COLORSOUND finishes.
* 900 series, orchestral/marching cymbals made of CuSn8 bronze, produced from 1986 until the beginning of the 1990s. Was also available with COLORSOUND finishes.
* 1000 series, semi-professional line made of CuSn8 bronze, produced from 1986 until the beginning of the 1990s. Was also available in RUDE finish.
* 2000 professional series made of CuSn8 bronze, produced from 1986 until the beginning of the 1990s. Was also available with COLORSOUND and Sound Reflection finishes.
* 3000 professional series made of CuSn8 bronze, produced from 1986 until the beginning of the 1990s. Was also available with RUDE and Sound Reflection finishes.
* Sound Formula, one of the first series to use Paiste's patented Signature Alloy, which was at first known as Sound Alloy or Sound Formula. Eventually absorbed by the "Signature" line.
* COLORSOUND 5 series, professional CuSn8-cymbals, produced from appox. 1983 to 1986. Five colors were offered for visual appeal. Note: The COLORSOUND 5 cymbals are different than 400, 500, 900, 2000 and Visions cymbals even though they are colored, or have the COLORSOUND name attached.
* VISIONS series, professional level; Both Signature Alloy and CuSn8 alloy cymbals, produced in the early mid 90s. Were treated with COLORSOUND process. Offered in Black only. Designed for Terry Bozzio.
* BRASSTONES, an entry level Paiste Brass alloy series introduced in the early 90s, discontinued in the mid-90s.
* Zilko A series made in the 1950's second to the Stambul line.
* Stanople, a mid-line series introduced in the 1960s, discontinued in the 1970s.
* Ludwig Standard, a mid-line series from the 1950s-70s produced for distribution by Ludwig Drums.
* Stambul, their old top-of-the-line cymbals, produced from 1932 to 1965 from NS12 nickel-bronze and later made of CuSn8 bronze.
* SOUND CREATION, top of the line professional bell bronze cymbals that were made alongside the 602 series starting in 1975 till the end of 80s.
* Dixie, entry level NS12 cymbals made in the 60's, later also offered in B8.
* Dimensions - This was considered a professional level cymbal which later merged in with the 2002 line. They were introduced in 1999 and are now discontinued.
* Innovations - This is a professional level cymbal line made with the 2002 bronze. They are mechanically pre-shaped, hand hammered, and lathed. Introducted in 2001, this line is now discontinued.

Sabian:
Signature
Paragon
Vault
Hand Hammered
HHX
AAX
AA

Pro Sonix
XS20
B8Pro
B8

Zildjian:
K Custom
K Series
A Custom
Avedis Series
FX Series
Z custom

ZHT
ZXT
ZBT

# Impulse (early to mid 1980s) - Impulse cymbals were primarily designed for hard rock. These were developed in response to Paiste's RUDE range, and are similar in appearance, also consisting of raw, unlathed B8 bronze. They were replaced by the original Z Zildjian line several years later.
# Avedis Platinum (1990s) - Avedis Platinum were essentially A Zildjians with a platinum coating and blue logo. They were discontinued due to environmental problems during manufacturing. A safer process was deemed to be prohibitively expensive.
# Re-Mix (late 1990s) - Re-Mix cymbals, developed with Zach Danziger, were designed for live performing of jungle/drum and bass, and other electronic styles. Only the ride and effects cymbals exist today as the A Breakbeat Ride and the A EFX, respectively.
# Z Series (1986 to 1994) - Z Series cymbals were heavy and unlathed and designed for heavy metal, and punk rock. The series later became the Z Custom series, and as of today, only one original model from the Z series exists, Dyno Beat Hi-Hats, available in both 13" and 14" sizes. Like the Impulse cymbals, they were designed to compete with Paiste's RUDE series which was already well established in the market with metal drummers.

# Amir, Amir II (early to mid 1980s) - Amir cymbals were so-called 'budget' cymbals, but are considered to be closer to high-end cymbals when compared to present-day budget cymbals. They were released alongside the Impulse line.
# Scimitar, Scimitar Bronze
# Edge, Edge Plus (1990s) - Edge cymbals were higher end budget cymbals. They preceded the current day ZXT range.
# ZBT Plus (1998-?) - The ZBT Plus range was released alongside ZBT, together replacing the Scimitar range. However they were discontinued shortly after Edge was replaced by ZXT

Pretty much got all the info from the sites of each.

[somedrummer]

Hey, thanks Topcat. That's something I've been meaning to ask for for a while, or perhaps do myself, but in any case, that's much appreciated.

[TopCat]

Hey, thanks Topcat. That's something I've been meaning to ask for for a while, or perhaps do myself, but in any case, that's much appreciated.
No problem, Theyre grouped in top-end cymbals and the beginners series' as you can tell.
I'm not sure on all of the Zildjian lines though. As for the sabian signature, some are fantastic but some are just gimmicky - So keep an eye or ear out for them.

[somedrummer]

Now what would be really great, but very difficult, would be to get all the discontinued lines (or at least some of the more prevalent ones) and add them to the list with asterisks by them. That would be really cool. In the meantime, though, I'm just wondering where the Dimensions line fits with Paiste.

[thecraponline]

K Custom (Does this include constantinoples?)

All the K Cons are in the K Zildjian, not K Custom series.

I'm just wondering where the Dimensions line fits with Paiste.

I'm pretty sure, but not positive, that the Dimensions line got mixed into the 2002 line.

[TopCat]

Now what would be really great, but very difficult, would be to get all the discontinued lines (or at least some of the more prevalent ones) and add them to the list with asterisks by them. That would be really cool. In the meantime, though, I'm just wondering where the Dimensions line fits with Paiste.
I'll get cracking on those then.

Dimensions are Pro top end cymbals. They were above 2002's before the sigs were introduced and then merged or something along those lines.

[somedrummer]

Why do I never think of Wikipedia?! Again, thanks a lot. Good to know I got some excellent quality hats for cheap there. (That would be my Dimensions Light Hats for $70). Thanks again.

[fanagel]

I have to disagree with trying to "order" cymbals. cymbals are, in my opinion, very task- oriented. For example, although very expensive and beautiful, unless miked, K customs(or K's) aren't very good rock cymbals, and A series are not a very " jazzy" cymbal etc etc. Get my drift man....

[rendezvous_drummer]

I have to disagree with trying to "order" cymbals. cymbals are, in my opinion, very task- oriented. For example, although very expensive and beautiful, unless miked, K customs(or K's) aren't very good rock cymbals, and A series are not a very " jazzy" cymbal etc etc. Get my drift man....

You couldn't be more wrong. My K hats are unbelievable and my friends K crashes are phenominal, and we both play rock and they fit. And the A series are very much "jazzy" cymbals. The 18" Armand ride with three rivets for example is a great jazz cymbal...your intelligence is questionable.

[Ozzy Biz]

You couldn't be more wrong. My K hats are unbelievable and my friends K crashes are phenominal, and we both play rock and they fit. And the A series are very much "jazzy" cymbals. The 18" Armand ride with three rivets for example is a great jazz cymbal...your intelligence is questionable.

Touche'





Biz

[Class A Drummer]

I have to disagree with trying to "order" cymbals. cymbals are, in my opinion, very task- oriented. For example, although very expensive and beautiful, unless miked, K customs(or K's) aren't very good rock cymbals, and A series are not a very " jazzy" cymbal etc etc. Get my drift man....

You have gotta be kidding me. Not only are K's great for rock, bu the A series are also great for jazz. Although ordering cymbals before you here them is not always a smart move, both the K's and the A's are extremley versitile cymbals.

[TopCat]

I have to disagree with trying to "order" cymbals. cymbals are, in my opinion, very task- oriented. For example, although very expensive and beautiful, unless miked, K customs(or K's) aren't very good rock cymbals, and A series are not a very " jazzy" cymbal etc etc. Get my drift man....
They're more or less listed as far as retail price is concerned and grouped in beginner or pro cymbal sections instead of order 'good to bad'.

[skippy]

my cymbals are a mix between Ks and As and i use them both for my rock and jazz set up so they can definatly be used for both. but i suggest trying the cymbals before buying them.

[TopCat]

Good to know I got some excellent quality hats for cheap there. (That would be my Dimensions Light Hats for $70).In other news, damn you to hell. You lucky, lucky man.

[mofle]

In other news, damn you to hell. You lucky, lucky man.

Well said, Top Cat!

Twenty

[bonzo49]

Thanks for your help, that was the info I needed and more, I was quite sure I knew the paistie line but wanted to check, the other two is because I am tring to decide what crashes to but, I've held it off a while to save up, and I've got quite a bit now.

[Skitch]

I have to disagree with trying to "order" cymbals. cymbals are, in my opinion, very task- oriented. For example, although very expensive and beautiful, unless miked, K customs(or K's) aren't very good rock cymbals, and A series are not a very " jazzy" cymbal etc etc. Get my drift man....


I have a 20" Medium Ride with rivets in it and every jazz drummer wants to buy it from me! It is all in how you play the cymbal. Just check Billy Cobham on the Glass Menagerie album, "Observations and Reflections".



Mike

http://www.mikemccraw.com
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[somedrummer]

Well said, Top Cat!

Twenty

In other news, damn you to hell. You lucky, lucky man.

Yep. I'm pretty happy with them.