Drum Teacher Directory

[jeffwj]

Here's an idea. The August 1990 Modern Drummer magazine included an international drum teacher directory. Then later published it as a separate publication. I remember getting it and looking up the drum teachers that were in my state and the surrounding states. I even contacted one or two of them for lessons. When I travel, I often look in the phone book to see if there are any drum teachers whose names I recognize. I'm sure many others do the same.

My idea is to have an online drum teacher directory on Drummerworld. In just the past few weeks I have seen postings here looking for teachers in New York and Boston. A directory would be a great place to look. I have had students of mine move to other states and cities. It would be nice to have a listing of instructors to reference for that reason. I know there are other teacher listings on the internet, but Drummerworld is one of the most popular sites out there.

Here's some info that could be included.
Location: Separated by County, State, Province etc.
Years of Teaching Experience
Formal Education
Articles, Books, or Videos published
Levels Taught - Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced
Styles Taught
Other Percussion Instruments Taught - Congas, Mallet Percussion, etc.
Areas of Emphasis
Teaching Full Time/Part Time
Average Number of Students per Week
Length of lessons offered - 30, 45, 60 min.

The drum teachers could have a free listing or pay a small amount per year. I think the lower the price the more teachers would sign up. But of course, Drummerworld still needs to pay the bills and that it completely understandable.

Please let me know what you think.

Jeff

[NUTHA JASON]

.i think this idea has huge potenial. a very useful service. bernhard?

j

[jollymosher]

woah! thats a great idea! i think it could really go some where! traveling drummers could get lessons on the road. and it would be a good way to get some extra flow into drummerworld!

[Bernhard]

Yes - a good idea.

If we do this, we will have 15000 names there.....

Must be careful with these decisions so....

Bernhard

[jeffwj]

Thank you for being so receptive to the idea. Yes, I can see the names building up quickly. But if it is searchable by county, city, and state (or province) it will be easier to access.

As far as having too many names, the listing could be renewed by the teacher every year or even 6 months. This would automatically eliminate listings of those who have moved, gone on the road, quit teaching etc...


Jeff

[JAHdrumming]

I know this would be a resource that I would use while on the road. I would be happy to contribute in anyway that would be helpful.

[jazzsnob]

It's an awesome idea, but it might just merit it's own website, a partner to drummerworld if you will. Even though the forums and the clinic section are good educational tools, it would be wonderful to consolidate all the methods and ideas into an educational website with a teracher list as well. The problem is it's a damn huge undertaking, but it would pay for itself if you had a bit of advertising. Imagine how many kids post "hay guyz how do i get better?"


You could just say "hay bro no problem just go to this website www.drummerworldschool.com/awesome" or something like that. It could have suggested listening, approaches to instructional books(syncopation, stick control, new breed," style analysis, hand technique and teacher listings.

The pros-Tons of free content(the mods can just take good, non-copyrighted stuff from the forums and internet) and an easy response to the infinite posts of "i don't know what to do"

Cons-Immense amount of work to create.


I'd love to put the project together but I'm pretty young and working and going to school. If Bernhard had a trusted friend who might want to take on the project, it could kind of be a one-stop free drum info place.

I dunno, it just seems like the the drum teacher directory would be such a big undertaking that you might as well nuild an educational site around it. But i've been throwing these ideas around for a while, so I dunno if they totally work. Well, I've typed them out, might as well keep em.

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

Thank you for being so receptive to the idea. Yes, I can see the names building up quickly. But if it is searchable by county, city, and state (or province) it will be easier to access.

As far as having too many names, the listing could be renewed by the teacher every year or even 6 months. This would automatically eliminate listings of those who have moved, gone on the road, quit teaching etc...


Jeff

Or if it's searchable by country, province, region, county, city, then that would perhaps be more applicable to all...

[jeffwj]

Or if it's searchable by country, province, region, county, city, then that would perhaps be more applicable to all...

I stand corrected. I meant to type "country," not "county."

[GRUNTERSDAD]

Would we have to get the teachers permission to use their name. I bet we would, A very sue happy society here now.

[jeffwj]

Would we have to get the teachers permission to use their name. I bet we would, A very sue happy society here now.

The teacher's would put their own names in voluntarily. That way only the teachers who want to be listed will have their names and contact info online. It would be a listing of a lot of semi-pro teachers, but I assume some bigger names would want to be listed as well.

Jeff

[Class A Drummer]

Jeff, this sounds like an amazing idea. I think it would be great being able to see the info about teachers in and around areas near me. Great idea.

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[NUTHA JASON]

in terms of arrangement i think it should be set up in a classifieds style listing like gumtree.com. latest entries on top and when a teacher posts they recieve a message that they will need to repost their advert every three or six months as old adverts will be automatically deleted. this will keep the database fresh and small. this idea occoured to me as i was flipping through a modern drummer from 1990. there was a three page special on united states drum teachers and i wondered how many of them still teach or if any of those phone numbers are still accurate.

j

[HardcoreLogo]

This is such a great idea.Sure, a huge undertaking, but the payoff would be worth it! Not only could would be students find a teacher, it could prove to be a vast resourse for educators to interact and share teaching philosophies, experiences and support.....I'm in!

[somedrummer]

I love the idea. I would hate to approve anything that makes more work for Bernhard, but if it could be self-sustaining and only took a little bit to set up, it would be great.

[djp132]

This is such a great idea.Sure, a huge undertaking, but the payoff would be worth it! Not only could would be students find a teacher, it could prove to be a vast resourse for educators to interact and share teaching philosophies, experiences and support.....I'm in!

My thoughts exactly. Great for teachers as well as students. Anything that helps hook up teachers and students is a good thing. I'm interested to see where this goes.

Derrick

[skippy]

i like the idea of this. there was someone on the orum a while back who had a similar one. but this is much more thought out. maybe jeff you should run it? just a thought. after all it is your idea.

[Drummer Karl]

Well, I love the idea and the concept of it!
It will be definitly very very useful for many drummers who search....one question: Will there be also a list including teachers from european countries?? Because I`m from Germany and here are also so many people who search good teachers.

Karl

[marcibischi]

Thats a very good idea !! cool !!

[beatsMcGee]

sounds like a good idea.

[vadrum]

well i believe that this kind of searchable online directory is a bit overdue, actually. i think it would also be benificial if those using the list to find teachers had a way of reporting back that the information given is no longer valid if they find that the information presented is no longer accurate.

[secondXheartbeat]

Sonds like a fantastic idea. I could use this when traveling and even when I'm looking at colleges. Maybe we could have someone else besides Bernhard in charge of it, since he does so much for us already :)

[rendezvous_drummer]

That's a great idea! Seriously, that would be majorly helpful. I'm going to be doing alot of travelling in the next few years and it'd be a great reference tool.

[rhydianjlewis]

Would be a great idea as long as you remember us guys in the UK. And also the other parts of europe.etc...

[NUTHA JASON]

i think we should make it

THE DRUMMERS DIRECTORY

with sub categories of:

DRUM TEACHERS

SUBSTITUTE DRUMMERS

SESSION DRUMMERS

each would come with a form to be filled in online with radio buttons and fields relevant to the category and then the ads sorted by city. entries should remain valid for 6 months. then near expiry the poster is sent an automatic email encouraging them to refresh the advert and edit it (if their address or prices etc have changed). if they do not refresh the ad then it is removed from the database.

some fields/radio buttons that i think shoul be in each category are:

Drum teachers

city and country
price from... and what currency
area they work (ie south west london)
own experienceSubstitute drummers

city and country
styles covered
price range (i'll play for free, 0 - 100, 100 - 200, 200+)
area they work
own transport
own kit
experiencesession drummers

similar to the session ads.
later on there can even be a rating system like on ebay. be the first to rate this artist. customers who found this rating helpful etc etc.

[jeffwj]

i think we should make it

THE DRUMMERS DIRECTORY

with sub categories of:

DRUM TEACHERS

SUBSTITUTE DRUMMERS

SESSION DRUMMERS

each would come with a form to be filled in online with radio buttons and fields relevant to the category and then the ads sorted by city. entries should remain valid for 6 months. then near expiry the poster is sent an automatic email encouraging them to refresh the advert and edit it (if their address or prices etc have changed). if they do not refresh the ad then it is removed from the database.

some fields/radio buttons that i think shoul be in each category are:

Drum teachers

city and country
price from... and what currency
area they work (ie south west london)
own experienceSubstitute drummers

city and country
styles covered
price range (i'll play for free, 0 - 100, 100 - 200, 200+)
area they work
own transport
own kit
experiencesession drummers

similar to the session ads.
later on there can even be a rating system like on ebay. be the first to rate this artist. customers who found this rating helpful etc etc.

To make it easier, possibly the drum teacher listing can include;
Willing to sub: Yes, No
If so, price, area, and styles

That would make it easier to design.

[jeffwj]

Would be a great idea as long as you remember us guys in the UK. And also the other parts of europe.etc...

I envisioned from the start an "international directory." That way it would benefit everybody.

Jeff

[Deathmetalconga]

i think we should make it

THE DRUMMERS DIRECTORY

with sub categories of:

DRUM TEACHERS

SUBSTITUTE DRUMMERS

SESSION DRUMMERS

each would come with a form to be filled in online with radio buttons and fields relevant to the category and then the ads sorted by city. entries should remain valid for 6 months. then near expiry the poster is sent an automatic email encouraging them to refresh the advert and edit it (if their address or prices etc have changed). if they do not refresh the ad then it is removed from the database.

some fields/radio buttons that i think shoul be in each category are:

Drum teachers

city and country
price from... and what currency
area they work (ie south west london)
own experienceSubstitute drummers

city and country
styles covered
price range (i'll play for free, 0 - 100, 100 - 200, 200+)
area they work
own transport
own kit
experiencesession drummers

similar to the session ads.
later on there can even be a rating system like on ebay. be the first to rate this artist. customers who found this rating helpful etc etc.

This looks like a good way to handle it, Nutha. And it is a very good idea.

But it would be a huge undertaking. Someone might need to be paid some small amount to get it together and keep it updated. Any sort of directory charges something to maintain itself, particularly if it's listing for-profit businesses, which is what a drum instructor is (okay, maybe not HUGELY profitable).

I would suggest anyone who wants to be listed should pay $20 to $50 a year. If you're a serious instructor, this isn't a huge amount and is just a cost of doing business. It would help weed out the inexperienced and wankers who aren't really teachers but just want to be listed for ego purposes.

www.terrasonus.com

[drummerchick435]

Great idea ,jeff! It'd be very helpful.

[foursticks]

Yes I think its a damn good idea too, but I think what deathmetalconga said is worth considering as well, there's always a risk of people saying they can teach when they've in actual fact been playing for six months. This was the case at my local music store as someone who had been only playing for a few months actually applied to become a teacher there...

[dale w miller]

i like the idea of an entire drum directory as well as the teacher directory.

[Drummer30]

This is an awsome idea, especially since drum teachers are only otherwise spread from person to person. I think there are some great ideas here. Bernhard, I really think that Jeff has a great idea here and things to combat the overload of names could help. Also the frequent (even bi-monthly) updates, or even a comfirmation by its publisher could keep the ads to serious teachers. I also like the rating idea, the only difficulty is then that it can get subjective and/or competitive with poor voting rival teachers etc. Some kinks to work out by it could be a good opportunity. Even a video greeting could work to verify that the teacher is serious and a decent player...hope this turns out well!

[Kamikazee89]

I think that's a great idea! On top of it allowing teachers to get their services to the people, it would help to expand the community we have here.

[junglelord]

I think thats a fantastic idea. I would love to be part of that list and also to be able to refer to the list myself.
Drum teachers nation list...very cool.
Smart ideas like this will always come to something good.
Thanks for asking me, I feel honoured.
Dean Ward

[Tama Player]

Sounds like a wonderful idea!
P.S.Make sure to put one for NC!!!!

Peace
AGR

[Disco Stu]

Great idea. If Bernhard's up for it, I think it would provide a valuable service and make a great addition to the Drummerworld site.

[Tim Waterson]

Yes - a good idea.

If we do this, we will have 15000 names there.....

Must be careful with these decisions so....

Bernhard
You are right lately everyone is a teacher.............
I think closer to 1 kazillion LOL
Tim

[Latin Groover]

This is a fantastic idea, i like Nuthas idea. Your right though this could be a whole website but if it was still on drummerworld, then this place is just going to grow grow grow! Having country etc is also the best way to do it i think. Great idea jeff. And a payment is nessary i think because otherwise yes Tim everyone is a teacher, $20US for 4months is enough i think or something like that.

[Pat Petrillo]

Hi All;

As I mentioned to Jeff in his email which he sent to me, it is an idea long overdue, and I have been working on such a project and website for a few months now, with a registered domain and address. The main page will be on line in a few days, detailing the mission, all of which are all similiar to what have been discussed in this thread.

As you may know, there are a couple sites out there already, but this one will be geared specifically to drummers only. The main page and details will be up shortly, and I will post the link and info when it "goes live"!

I think everyone will benefit from this website, and I will be back soon with the link and detailed announcement!

All the Best

[djp132]

Hi All;

As I mentioned to Jeff in his email which he sent to me, it is an idea long overdue, and I have been working on such a project and website for a few months now, with a registered domain and address. The main page will be on line in a few days, detailing the mission, all of which are all similiar to what have been discussed in this thread.

As you may know, there are a couple sites out there already, but this one will be geared specifically to drummers only. The main page and details will be up shortly, and I will post the link and info when it "goes live"!

I think everyone will benefit from this website, and I will be back soon with the link and detailed announcement!

All the Best

I'm def looking forward to seeing how this turns out. You da man Pat.

Derrick

PS - lol Tim, everyones a teacher, youre right

[NUTHA JASON]

in terms of payment there are several ways to go about it.

in the beginning it is essential for the directory to grow so that it actually becomes useful. i would say it should be free for the first six months at least. then there are options. like those 'find a friend' directories where the persons name and details are put up available to search but their contact details are hidden until the searcher has paid a nominal amount. this would be useful in the subbing and session sections. the drum teachers should pay a small subscription fee. plus i imagine the site to have loads of payperclick ads down the side bars to subsidise its exsistence. like drummerworld. ther can even be featured ad systems where someone can pay extra to have their ad at the top of their country or city listings and in bold larger fonts etc.

i think the directory should be a part of drummerworld and not a separate website. one of the options in the top navigation bar. with the number of hits DW gets this will make it immediately visible and like with any directory - numbers count a lot in its success. the directory should also look like DW (same fonts and backgrounds) ... it is another DW service on offer.

j

[remnantdrummer]

Awesome idea! I like Nutha's idea too...

[Butch Axsmith]

Wonderfull idea''''''''' Maybee not as many names as
you think?????
Teacher/Player with Credentials
Butch Axsmith

[Pat Petrillo]

On the site that I mentioned is in progress and ready to 'go live", teachers must provide copies of degrees/certificates received by fax.. Although it's not REQUIRED that teachers have a degree to become a member, if they state they do have a degree, it must be substantiated..

Details and the announcement SOON!

Pat

[LinearDrummer]

I would suggest anyone who wants to be listed should pay $20 to $50 a year. If you're a serious instructor, this isn't a huge amount and is just a cost of doing business. It would help weed out the inexperienced and wankers who aren't really teachers but just want to be listed for ego purposes. www.terrasonus.com


Put sound clips on there and that would eliminate that problem...

I've had my share of bad teachers....

[jazzgregg]

So, just to be clear here, on one hand we have people proposing a site be done and have it on Drummerworld and on the other hand we have Pat's basically done site which is separate entirely though is basically the same idea, correct?


G

[Latin Groover]

So, just to be clear here, on one hand we have people proposing a site be done and have it on Drummerworld and on the other hand we have Pat's basically done site which is separate entirely though is basically the same idea, correct?


G

Yea i was starting to think people had him on ignore or something, lol. Sounds great Pat keep us up with the info.

[Pat Petrillo]

Hi

Members will have the ability to have sound clips and video clips, plus complete bios, etc..

More to come...and thanks !!!

[Latin Groover]

Awesome Pat. Are you taking on any of the ideas spouted from this thread or is it nearly "Air time"?

[Jay.B.]

Sounds like a sterling idea, I know it's something I would use, and it's something I'm sure that would really take off and be an invaluble resource

[Pat Petrillo]

Yes, I am listening to the ideas that some are suggeting,and basically I am doing those things already. The only things that the site will NOT have are "pay per click" ads and message board/forum stuff which simply clutter the site and expose the site to the possibilities of spam and unprofessional posts.

Besides, the best forum on the web is HERE AT DRUMMERWORLD!! No need for more!

It will be simply member - supported by drum teachers who want a listing and a page on the site for a minimal fee, and it is FREE to search for a teacher!

So, hang tight, it should be ready in a week or so!!

[Latin Groover]

Awesome cant wait Pat!

[samthebeat]

not to rain on anyone's parade but plenty of this info is allready out thier, their are listings all over the place if people are prepared to look. It's a great idea but Drummerworld has the potentional of then having a Monoploy on everything drums on the net by taking this route. Having one website for all things drum makes people lazy. Kinda like Mcdonalds makes people lazy when choosing somewhere to eat a burger. They just go to Mcdonalds bebcause they know where it is.

In england we have Drumsense http://www.drumsense.com/ which is easy to find on the internet. It was set up by a Rythm magazine drummer, he still writes for them. Not to mention all of the lower level private session drummers which advertise on thier websties. Guys like pete riley and what not. In the whole I think putting something like this would take business away from them, I dont think they would be happy about that. Or be very happy to pay for it, seems they would have to eventually becasue people are lazy and Drummerworld would over shadow their little websites. Monopoly is not cool, drummerworld is'nt just a cool little website now it's huge and it has the power to corner the market in this respect. No dis respect cause I love this site, im not sayng this will happen either. Just throwing it into the mix.

[jonescrusher]

not to rain on anyone's parade but plenty of this info is allready out thier, their are listings all over the place if people are prepared to look. It's a great idea but Drummerworld has the potentional of then having a Monoploy on everything drums on the net by taking this route. Having one website for all things drum makes people lazy. Kinda like Mcdonalds makes people lazy when choosing somewhere to eat a burger. They just go to Mcdonalds bebcause they know where it is.

In england we have Drumsense http://www.drumsense.com/ which is easy to find on the internet. It was set up by a Rythm magazine drummer, he still writes for them. Not to mention all of the lower level private session drummers which advertise on thier websties. Guys like pete riley and what not. In the whole I think putting something like this would take business away from them, I dont think they would be happy about that. Or be very happy to pay for it, seems they would have to eventually becasue people are lazy and Drummerworld would over shadow their little websites. Monopoly is not cool, drummerworld is'nt just a cool little website now it's huge and it has the power to corner the market in this respect. No dis respect cause I love this site, im not sayng this will happen either. Just throwing it into the mix.


Must disagree with most of this. Drumsense is specifically a method of drum tuition that private tutors pay a sub to,founded and developed by Colin Woolway. Whilst popular with students and private tutors, it accounts only for one group of (albeit nationwide) tutors and one programme of teaching.
I disagree that Drummerworld developing a tutor directory would have any monopolising effect on Drumsense or freelance tutors. Conversely, I would expect it to have a positive effect in improving the exposure of the stand-alone tutors who, in UK at least are currently having a harder time competing with the Drumsense network.
The fact is, i've never yet encountered a worthy tutor directory - the one at Mikedolbear has more than 4 entries at least, but is still pretty poor if you live in the provinces. The fact that Drummerworld is so established and gets so much traffic is what makes a tutor directory so promising, regardless of where in the world you live. Forget monopolies, this is a free-to-view site, think of the possiblities.

[jonescrusher]

I don't get this. I've been looking for a teacher in my area of the country, and have had no luck in finding a resource of any use; where i do find a local teacher listed, there is scant, if any information that i require i.e. musical/teaching experience, standard required, specialities, materials used. If there was one well-known, sought after directory, I think this would establish a protocol for listing, and would draw the major players in. Of course, I wouldn't expect some of the biggest guys to appear, for example Bob Armstrong - the big names wouldn't need this kind of exposure. I can only see this as mutually beneficial; tutees are provided a reliable and central resource, and tutors are provided an international platform. That's nothing to do with laziness.
I can't see the draw of Mikedolbear, too cliquey, but for the fine exception of Brookie. Shame he doesn't appear here, many would benefit from his knowledge.

[Bernhard]

I can't make a valuable drumteacher directory.....that would be more than 80'000 pages...

From Alaska to Hawaii - from Switzerland to Danmark, from Estonia to Turkey, from Japan to China......

Then in no way somebody is qualified to qualify. And only the natural fluctuation would give 50 - 100 changes a day.

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So what I can offer is a drumteacher listing of those teachers willing to write to me and I point to their website...ok!!??
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I started some weeks ago the project of showing everybodys drumset, who sends pictures. I totally underestimated the work, making all individal websites with bio, pictures and sounds. We have now 300 entries - thank you everybody. Just strange, that from the 9000 forummembers only 12 sent in their pictures.....hmmm

Bernhard

[Bernhard]

Here you go whats wrong with this guy http://www.drumgarden.com/teachers_matt.html

.

Here we go: Link not working.

[jeffwj]

I thank everyone for their input in this forum. I recalled the 1990 Modern Drummer and thought it would be a good idea for a major drum publication (or website) to put out another directory. Drummerworld has given us so much. It is a way to see videos of drummers from the creation of the drumset until now. This forum has been a place for everyone to quetion, comment, agree and disagree. I respect Bernhard for all that he has done. I now understand that he is doing what he loves by adding more names to the Drummerworld site and that a teacher directory would be too much work in addition to what he already does.

I have been in touch with Pat Petrillo and am happily awaiting his drum teacher directory. I'm sure it will be talked about much in the future. Hopefully this will be the place that we can turn for a teacher database.

Bernhard and Pat - Thanks for everything.

Jeff

[Pat Petrillo]

Hi guys..

Well the preview for the International Drum Teachers Network site is up now, and there is a thread in the General Discussion section. It goes live February 1st!

www.drumteachersnetwork.com



Pat

[Latin Groover]

Awesome Pat cant wait. You should put the link in your signiture.

[DrumMasterDave]

Yah man, im in for that, let us all know when it is up

[Latin Groover]

Had a look at the preview Pat, looks great. How did you decide on the costs?

[Pat Petrillo]

The cost is $25 for a 6 month membership. It's very affordable. That was my main objective. As you can imagine, it does cost a bit to start up the site for design, programming, etc, plus a monthly maintenance fee. There has to be some some type of fee since there will be no ads or "pay per click" things..Any teacher who wants to grow their business as a teacher and a drummer need exposure, and advertising is part of it. It's a good investment based on the potential return, I think.

I would hope a large number of teachers register to make it viable, and based on the responses on both threads, it seems good!

Please visit www.drumteachersnetwork.com for details

WE GO LIVE IN FEBRUARY!

[Pat Petrillo]

Hi everyone

I started a post the General discussion thread, but I thought I would let everyone know on this thread that the International Drum teachers Network in now ON LINE and accepting teacher memberships.!

Please visit www.drumteachersnetwork.com for details.

Thanks again.

[Michael G]

Great idea, but in my opinion there is one problem.

$25 dollars for 6 months? I personally that is too high of a price for the site in it's infancy. Personally, I would start it lower at like $10 and slowly work it up as the membership of teachers increases. Slowly though, not too fast.

While yes 25 may not seem like alot, but at first glance for right now, in a site which just started, it seems a little much.

Just my 2 cents.

[jeffwj]

As I mentioned in the general thread I signed up for the network. It looks great. There has been a lot of interest in this thread so now it's time for people to start signing up. The more people that sign up - the more popular the site. That way it can benefit us all.

Jeff