Trick Throw Off

[the.tree]

Is this throw off really worth 70 bucks? If so what is the difference between it and a regular one.

[DamoSyzygy]

If you are referring to the GS007, then yes its worth every cent. IMO its the best throwoff out there. Durable, smooth and easy to operate.

[Mista Bob]

Yep, the Trick throw off is amazing, definately one of the best, if not the best.
The difference is the smoothness and its just a top-quality throw off.

[Sesh]

It's great throw-off.

Having said that, whether it's worth it rather depends on how much you value a throw-off. Personally, I don't value them that high - I like a nice smooth one, but I'd rather buy a better shell that actually affects the sound than a flashy throw-off personally. It really depends on how much money you have and what you're buying.

Is it worth retro fitting a trick throw-off to a decent pearl (for example) snare? no - the pearl throw-offs are fine so it's a waste.

Is it worth a trick throw-off onto a new custom drum when you're picking the options? depends what the other options are - if it's substantially cheaper I'd get a nickleworks one, if not maybe get the trick.

Really, it's kind of like the question - should I pay more for gold hardware on my new kit? It depends on what your buying, how much you're paying, and what you're sacrificing for it.

My $0.02

[Steady Freddy]

I have five of them. Needless to say I could have bought another snare for the same investment. I swear by them. They have tons of adjustment and when you drop the wires they really drop. I've had a couple of throw offs where the wires didn't fully disengage.

They are very light and don't choke the drum like some of the heavier units.

I've had a couple throw offs fail during shows back in the day, and didn't feel like repeating that experience this time around.

The Trick throw off has become standard equipment on some custom shop snares like OCDP and Craviotto. That speaks volumes for the quality of this product.

Drummer World member "Skitch" produces a neat little adapter plate that will retro fit a TricK throw off to most popular snares without the need to drill the shell. The kit comes with everything you need and instalation is quick and easy. His service is top notch also.

Mikes contact info is:

http://www.mikemccraw.com
http://www.dominoretroplate.com

[altered_beast]

I think they could be beneficial if you play like Danny Carey and flick snares on and off.

[Skitch]

It's great throw-off.

Having said that, whether it's worth it rather depends on how much you value a throw-off. Personally, I don't value them that high - I like a nice smooth one, but I'd rather buy a better shell that actually affects the sound than a flashy throw-off personally. It really depends on how much money you have and what you're buying.

Is it worth retro fitting a trick throw-off to a decent pearl (for example) snare? no - the pearl throw-offs are fine so it's a waste.

Actually, the Nickelworks and Trick throw-offs do something that this Pearl Throw-off doesn't - stay adjusted right where you want it! It is a knock-off of the Ludwig P85 design and the same limitations which plague the P85 palgue the Pearl, Yamaha and Gibraltar throw-offs because the problem lies inherently in the design. I have just introduced another version which will replace the Pearl/Yamaha P85 throw-offs. As a matter of fact, a customer in North Carolina sent me his Pearl throw-off which was a piece of junk - I still have it and is the Pearl version of the P85.

Is it worth a trick throw-off onto a new custom drum when you're picking the options? depends what the other options are - if it's substantially cheaper I'd get a nickleworks one, if not maybe get the trick.

Really, it's kind of like the question - should I pay more for gold hardware on my new kit? It depends on what your buying, how much you're paying, and what you're sacrificing for it.

My $0.02

Let's compare apples to apples;

Gold plated hardware or machined brass hardware (like on GMS drums - one of thier main selling points at one time)!

Or how about a 1976 Chevy Nova compared to a brand new Honda? Both are cars and roll and will eventually get you where you are going, and while the Nove is collectable, there are some great advances that modern automobiles possess that the 1976 Nova won't! The P85 (and P83) throw-offs are good throw-offs but don't have the modern advances of the aforementioned throw-offs!



Here is the main issue:

If what you have is working for you and you are happy with it, then don't change! However, I have several customers who have had broken throw-offs (DW, Pearl Yamaha, Pork Pie) and didn't want to pay for the same problems twice.

Also, I wanted the fullest, unchoked sound out of my snare that I could get or it was going on Ebay! I wanted the throw-off the fully disengage the snres and not be at a position as to allow the bottom head slap into the snares giveing me a rattle

My Ludwig version is to fix the problem of the P85 throw-off's chronic tendency to back-off and loose tension, thus changing your snare sound as you play!

And let's not forget those horrible "block type" throw-offs which are suprisingly easy to break if not handle with care!


Mike

http://www.mikemccraw.com
http://www.dominoretroplate.com


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[Skitch]

I think they could be beneficial if you play like Danny Carey and flick snares on and off.


And this was the problem with the stock DW throw-offs!

When I want a timbale sound out of my snre drum, I don't want to hear the bottom head slapping into the lowered snares. The DW throw-offs were not good enough to have an acceptable on sound and a good off sound.

Also, there seems to be a fair amount of talk about the weight of your hardware these days. Here is a challenge: the next time you change your snare heads out, take that throw-off off of the drum and hold it in your hand. The DW throw-offs are boat anchors when compared to the Trick and Nickelworks.

Mike

http://www.mikemccraw.com
http://www.dominoretroplate.com


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[Paul_Klein]

Here's a Question:

The throw-off on my snare (Pacific CX stock snare) really sucks. It's far from smooth, and often give me troubles.

However, I never need to disengage my snares (except when I need/want to reduce sympathetic vibrations for whatever reason and I'm not playing).

Would a new, better throw-off (like the Trick) actually make my drum sound better? How smooth it is to engage/disengage isn't too important, but how it forces the wires to rest on the head does matter. Would the Trick actually improve my snare sound?

[sticksnstonesrus]

This is the Mayland DC 6.5 x 14 with the 20mm shell. Comes standard with a the Trick GS007 throw off.

http://n.domaindlx.com/sticksnstonesrus/drums%20(6).jpg

Hasn't backed off on my once. Easy to flip, easy to set. Can't ask for much more. Well thought of design...

Personnaly, I don't want to worry about something like the snare wires going loose during a session. I think it's worth the investment.

Andy

[Skitch]

Here's a Question:

The throw-off on my snare (Pacific CX stock snare) really sucks. It's far from smooth, and often give me troubles.

However, I never need to disengage my snares (except when I need/want to reduce sympathetic vibrations for whatever reason and I'm not playing).

Would a new, better throw-off (like the Trick) actually make my drum sound better? How smooth it is to engage/disengage isn't too important, but how it forces the wires to rest on the head does matter. Would the Trick actually improve my snare sound?

Hi Paul!

What I can tell you is that when I changed the crappy factory throw-off out, it changed my interaction with the drum. I never used this drum (DW Collectors) prior to this, and I kept it in my road case as a back-up (a $500 snare drum) in favor of a Pearl FFS piccolo snare. And it was because the throw-off would actually push the snare wires into the head (Puresound blasters)! After I made the retrofit change, the FFS became the back-up. The newer, throw-off made me want to play the drum more! The playing environment was enhanced and it made me fall in love with this drum! By the way, I am using a Nickelworks with this drum and it hasn't failed yet!

A local drummer who I work with every week, changed his Delta off his Edge snare to a Trick and that drum has become more responsive and more crisp. I really noticed this last week; the drum sounds as good coming off the stage as it does through the PA!


Now for your Pacific CX, I beleive that my original model with retrofit the Trick GS007 to it. And as always, I offer a money back guaranty if it doesn't fit. I actually found out by accident that this will retrofit to Pork Pie snare drums and the Pork Pie owners love it!

I know all of this sounds like the typical "salesman" bull, but the fact is, you can have the most beautiful shell, high quality heads, the best wires and great hoops. But the throw-off is what makes a snare drum a snare drum, and if it doesn't function properly, it can really be annoying.


Mike

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http://www.dominoretroplate.com

http://www.youtube.com/drummermikemccraw
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[frederik79]

HI - I´ve thought about putting a trick strainer on an old slingerland snare of mine, think it might be a "gene krupa" model. Does anybody know if it will fit the existing holes in the shell ?
Cheers Frederik

[Skitch]

HI - I´ve thought about putting a trick strainer on an old slingerland snare of mine, think it might be a "gene krupa" model. Does anybody know if it will fit the existing holes in the shell ?
Cheers Frederik

I would need a picture.


Mike

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http://www.dominoretroplate.com

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