Need help here.

[funky drummer]

So i have a Premier Genista set (http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17318&highlight=premier+genista) and i am thinking of selling it and buy a Ludwig classic birch set (http://express.bits-ikt.no/musikk/customer/product.php?productid=65606&cat=1439&page=1) (in silver sparkle).
So, should i go for it with Ludwig?
Or should i stick with the old Genista
or should i maybe buy Yamaha tour custom (in black finish) (http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/ModelSeriesDetail/0,,CNTID%253D451709%2526CTID%253D5010406,00.html#)

Thanks in advance for replies ^^

[tamadrummer132]

the yamaha. iv heard great things about these lines, the premier is nice but too small, and i dont like luddies.

[dingbat]

Definitely keep your Genistas, I think you will be sorely disappointed if you sold them for either the Ludwig Birch (the maple classics are another story) or Yamaha Tour Custom, these would be my reasons -

Your Genistas are a premium birch kit, top of their game before they were discontinued some 6 - 8 years ago - thin shelled high quality birch, most likely Finnish/Scandinavian birch, with a slightly undersized shell (as is common with most of Premier's upper line drums, by 2 mm) from the stated diameter, guranteeing solid bearing edge contact with the head surface. Between this slight undersizing, thin shell and premium birch you have the best in tonal range, sustain and ease of tuning.

The luddies are a composite of birch and Italian poplar (think Pearl export as it is made of 100% poplar), not 100% birch shell, and is thick, 7 mm, you will be giving up a lower fundemental sound and enhanced sustain due to the shell composition and thickness, which will make the sound more focused, cut into the sustain and raise the fundemental pitch of each drum. I see the confusion of the ad you provided a link to, it says 100% birch, but I assure you that it is a birch/poplar composite, this as lifted directly from the ludwig site -

"The Classic Birch Series features our genuine 7 ply, 7mm thick Ludwig USA made Birch and Italian Poplar shells, to provide professional performance at a competitive price. Ludwig’s Weather Master Drum Heads are also made in the USA."

The Yamaha's are Asian maple (check the recent thread on the Yamaha Tour Custom), a softer and more porous wood, not the dense premium north american maple that high end maple kits are made from. Although the construction quality of the kit is flawless from most of the reviews I have read, your are taking a step back in shell material that will be the biggest factor in sound.

In the end, check ebay often if you want to add more toms to your existing set, I would definitely not sell them as "they don't make them like that anymore". If you were to consider the Ludwig Maple Classics, then I would say go for it, but not on the two choices you have mentioned.

[funky drummer]

im gonna keep this set until summer, when i sell it and buy a used DW kit, which i send to my brother who lives at a school and have him bring it back to europe.
a used dw kit isn't more than 1000-1500 $ shell pack

[dingbat]

im gonna keep this set until summer, when i sell it and buy a used DW kit, which i send to my brother who lives at a school and have him bring it back to europe.
a used dw kit isn't more than 1000-1500 $ shell pack

I hope you are talking about a true DW, and not a PDP by DW, big difference in price.

[funky drummer]

and forget not to mention the big difference in quality
ofcourse its a real DW set im talking about, not falling for pacifics "newbie" sets.
i can't wait though.

[Ozzy Biz]

What's wrong with the the Premiers? Is there a reason that you feel you need to change kit, or is it just something that you want to do for the sake of it?

Biz

[funky drummer]

it's just that i can't get the right sound i want from them and the size difference from tom and floor tom isnt that big (12" and 14").

[Rhythmic Disciple]

See if you can get some 'add-on' drums on ebay or other source? You may find a 16" floor tom out there somewhere!

I'm not sure about Genista's being discontinued 8 years ago. I bought a brand new Genista (ordered from Premier, not stock) back in 2000-2001, so it must have been discontinued sometime after that.

Technically, you could say that they were rebranded rather than discontinued. Premier's top-end Maple and Birch drums (i.e. Signia and Genista) were moulded into the 'Premier Series' line, which is their top line today. This line also features a hybrid of the two, a mixture of maple and birch, which they called 'Gen-X'. Very nice indeed...

[funky drummer]

i would rather like a new set and even if there is a floor tom or tom out there i would have to refinish it, so that it would go with the set.
and how are the artist series btw?

[funky drummer]

Are the artist series something like the genistas?

[Rhythmic Disciple]

The Artist Series are nice for the money, but they are classed as 'intermediate'. Genista were Premier's birch professional offering , which has now been replaced by the Premier Series range, as I stated above.

As you are familiar with Premier birch drums, IMO you get on fine with the Artist Series drums. They are a valid option for you...

[Sirwill]

This may help.

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21506


http://www.drummerworld.com/mydrumset/mydrumsetdrummers/Billy_Twinem.html