rudiments for rock

[parksung]

i play indie and experimental rock in 2 bands and began drumming by simply drumming and playing shows immediately, and not building my foundation of rudiments and knowlingly using them around the kit (i blindly use them without recognizing that 'oh, that's a double stroke roll i just did" or "those are triplets," etc. i know it sounds ridiculous!

so now i am going back and trying to build that foundation i never did before, but don't know which ones are most useful for rock.

i suppose that probably all rudiments and paradiddles are useful, but which ones are most applicable these days (if that makes any sense)??

[Johnest]

You can almost made a career in rock just with single stroke rol, double, flams, paradiddle... Maybe you can ad drags and ruff too.

But knowing at least the first 26 couldn't arm you.

[DamoSyzygy]

They are all applicable!

You will probably use flams, doubles and singles the most, but remember that playing is a creative process, and if you know 26 rudiments well, youre more inclined to use them.

[Paul Quin]

Accurate advice - although I suspect not exactly what you were looking for! If you want good guidance check out Carmine Appice's "Realistic Rock" book - it uses the necessary rudiments without ever specifically teaching them. I would concentrate on single strokes and double strokes while working on using doubles as ghost notes. This will develop your paradiddles and your drags as a matter of habit. Once you have solid doubles (which you can play with your left hand as a drag when appropriate) then you will find that you will start to naturally use those rudiments in your playing.

This is an attempt to give practical advice to someone who has been playing for a while and will, I suspect, find it difficult to go back to learning the free stroke and sitting at a pad doing paradiddles and doubles. If you have the drive and discipline to do that then you should.

Good luck - and kudos for noticing weakness in your playing and having the desire to fix it!!

Paul

[parksung]

Accurate advice - although I suspect not exactly what you were looking for! If you want good guidance check out Carmine Appice's "Realistic Rock" book - it uses the necessary rudiments without ever specifically teaching them. I would concentrate on single strokes and double strokes while working on using doubles as ghost notes. This will develop your paradiddles and your drags as a matter of habit. Once you have solid doubles (which you can play with your left hand as a drag when appropriate) then you will find that you will start to naturally use those rudiments in your playing.

This is an attempt to give practical advice to someone who has been playing for a while and will, I suspect, find it difficult to go back to learning the free stroke and sitting at a pad doing paradiddles and doubles. If you have the drive and discipline to do that then you should.

Good luck - and kudos for noticing weakness in your playing and having the desire to fix it!!

Paul
thanks man, much appreciated!

[mind_drummer]

You can almost made a career in rock just with single stroke rol, double, flams, paradiddle... Maybe you can ad drags and ruff too.

But knowing at least the first 26 couldn't arm you.

Isn't drag and ruff the same rudiment ???

[Johnest]

Isn't drag and ruff the same rudiment ???

Ruff = llR rrL
Drag = llR L rrL R
Am i right?
Anyway, that's what i have learn 10 years ago...

[djp132]

I always thought it was the sticking that determined it.

Drag = rrL llR

Ruff = rlR lrL

and then the 3 stroke ruff and 4 stroke are all normally done with an alternating stick pattern.

[Auger]

Love the new look derrick.

Anyway,

I wouldn't completely rule out going back to a teacher either, if that was something you were considering. I went back to lessons after playing for 15 years, much of which was re-addressing technique fundimentals. It wasn't just beneficial, it was fun.

[mind_drummer]

Ruff = llR rrL
Drag = llR L rrL R
Am i right?
Anyway, that's what i have learn 10 years ago...

The ruff is right but for the drag it's the single drag tap you showed...

I always thought it was the sticking that determined it.

Drag = rrL llR

Ruff = rlR lrL

and then the 3 stroke ruff and 4 stroke are all normally done with an alternating stick pattern.

It's just that I looked the 40 PAS rudiments and couldn't find any ruff rudiments but I was sure I have see it somewhere so I searched and found on vic firth web site and they seem to be the same as drag... look for yourself

http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/31drag.html

[HardcoreLogo]

drags are double stroked, ruffs are single stroked...........

[mind_drummer]

drags are double stroked, ruffs are single stroked...........


No these are flams ??? Follow the vic firth link...

[HardcoreLogo]

No these are flams ??? Follow the vic firth link...

No,no........Flams are comprised of a grace note and principle note......if you double stroke the grace note, you have a drag.........now take that double stroke and play two single strokes at 1/4 stick height before the principle note, you have a three stroke ruff( a drag, but played with all single strokes)..........I have seen the Vic Firth site before, but thats not the point, I don't need a web site, I know the basic rudiments, this just isn't "what I think they might be", it just is...........