Fastest Double Bass Player?

[ThomasDee]

"I think the bad thing is when people become totally consumed in speed and use it just to be speedy."

Speed is only a result, a derivative. It does not exist on it's own. Only a result of technique. Wheter Slow or Fast. Why do people only think of speed as fast?

Is speed not relative? Does it simply 'just happen' on it own?

I will say, "the WFD has done more to attempt to educate folks on this topic more than any movement in the history of the world."

TD

[The_Rev_#1FAN]

Fastest ever double bass player I have ever seen is Thomas Lang. Truely awe-inspiring.

Or if I had to pick one from my metal collection, would be a toss up between Steve Ashiem of Deicide or Pete Sandoval of Morbid Angel. I'm most fond of Dave Lombardo of Slayer aswell, but he's not so much about speed, but brutal power and technique.
I think that Steve Ashiem is an amazing drummer. For example listen to Scars of the crucifix it shows his skill on the set!

[Tim Waterson]

i have an opinion ok and i'll stick to it, just because i dont have a thousand posts behind my name doesn't mean that my opinions are suddenly worth less than if i did, I respect Tim Waterson's achievements and judging by his posts on here he's a very nice and knowledgble guy, and i'm sure so are all the other WFD guys, i am not knocking them ok, but my take on the thread starter was which guy is the fastest DB player and on which song of which cd, just out of curiosity i'm interested to who this is.

Tim, with you possessing a lot of knowledge on this subject do you know the answer.

Thanks
The fastest feet in singles in a song would either be George or Romaine as they are both SUPEREFAST.Id have to check with them to see.
The fastest doubles in a Song was done by ME in the New release by Judea in a song callled Buhay Mo.I will post a clip next month when the cd is finished.
Tim

[Bernhard]

I respect all double-bass speed-artists....

...but in reality nobody has a chance against my old lawn-mower with a 45HP Milwaukee engine. Just tested it - it's springtime and I had to cut the grass. Put my iPod on and listened to some hardmetal - very lame compared to.....and after 15 minutes my lawnmower still going strong.


Never bash Ringo


Bernhard

[Tim Waterson]

I respect all double-bass speed-artists....

...but in reality nobody has a chance against my old lawn-mower with a 45HP Milwaukee engine. Just tested it - it's springtime and I had to cut the grass. Put my iPod on and listened to some hardmetal - very lame compared to.....


Never bash Ringo


Bernhard
bernard you showoff Not only do you OWN The supercool DW drumsite you have the turbocharged Lwnmower as well LOL
PS My Lawn is about ready for a cut.......LOL
JK
Tim

[Bernhard]

Hi Tim

Hope you understand, that sometimes I lack the seriousity needed - when the day was long and the night is cold and the beer is warm and cigars are forbidden because the curtains are fresh cleanded.

Bernhard

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

Hi Tim

Hope you understand, that sometimes I lack the seriousity needed - when the day was long and the night is cold and the beer is warm and cigars are forbidden because the curtains are fresh cleanded.

Bernhard

Bernhard has it tough, living in one of the safest, economically wealthiest (compared to population) and cleanest nations on Earth you see?

JK.

[Chip]

Jeez, a 45hp lawnmower? Can you use that thing to take off? Bernhard Airways.

[ad9898]

The fastest feet in singles in a song would either be George or Romaine as they are both SUPEREFAST.Id have to check with them to see.
The fastest doubles in a Song was done by ME in the New release by Judea in a song callled Buhay Mo.I will post a clip next month when the cd is finished.
Tim

Thank You Tim, this was the answer this thread was looking for as far as singles go, i suspected George but that video you posted with Romaine was mighty impressive.

[Tim Waterson]

Hi Tim

Hope you understand, that sometimes I lack the seriousity needed - when the day was long and the night is cold and the beer is warm and cigars are forbidden because the curtains are fresh cleanded.

Bernhard
Bernard you do NOT have to be serious all the time you are the KING of drummerworld so Now you are entitled to be eccentric.............LOL
Ps can you record your mower so I have to goal to try and catch........
Tim

[jarrod]

Yeah ther hertic anthem is got a bit of double bass but it really isnt that fast try something like mordbid angel (pete sandoval drum check) that is quick and also the niles song churning the maelstrom that is quick as well

and dow e really have to try and beat lawn mower lol

________________
jarrod

[MindRusted]

Hey people, I'm Jake and im 16..and i want in on this topic. Death metal is my favorite genre of music. I'd have to say some of the fastest footwork has to be Inferno from Behemoth..Blackest ov the black, slaves shall serve, and demigod. Also George Kollias of Nile is incredible. And Frost from satyricon is pretty amazing too.

[shuffle]

i think the fastest double bass player is chad smith

Chad Smith plays double ?

[jtr1]

this one is not as narley but i like the 94 hours song by as i lay dieing i mean its not thta fast i mean i can play it easily so ya anyways i just like the beat

[MindRusted]

the reign of shemsu-hor - Behemoth shows Inferno's double bass skills

[ThomasDee]

Here's a link to Wired magazine story about Tim 'The Missile' Yeung winning the Battle of the Feet at WFD World Finals see
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.05/posts.html?pg=2

'Fastest Feet in the West'

I thought it was a good story and 872 is pretty dang quick with the feet. Much Respect!

TD

[danielheier]

I think i may go with Thomas Lang on this one, his DVD Creative Control is just, WOW. He does the impossible!

[Tim Waterson]

I think i may go with Thomas Lang on this one, his DVD Creative Control is just, WOW. He does the impossible!
Yes I have his dvd and have seen him up close many times. Thomas the thumbs up for his creativity!
Tim
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[toteman2]

This thread is starting to drive me out of my mind.......

[Tim Waterson]

This thread is starting to drive me out of my mind.......
We are going to slowly going crazy!!!!!! ARRRGGHHHH LOL
All in good FUN
The age OLD question about SPEED will never leave us.......
Tim

[infernal drummer]

2 of the fast ones ive heard is ingo schwichtenberg on the album pink bubbles go abe, helloween , the track someone's crying.. or manowar's album the triumph of steel with "rhino" on drums.. the track the demons whip escpecially.. the last minute.. wow..

[DillingerEscp]

Not a huge fan of fear factory, but the drummer has some of the coolest beats using double bass, not only is he really quick, he doesnt do the same old straight single stroke rolls... He does some cool stop/start beats at blazing speeds.

[pondojohnny]

Hey kids, I'm a 52 year old drummer who still needs a day job. I got to meet one of the innovators of the double bass. His name is Louis Belson and he was one of the Big Band era drummers. I met him at a drum clinic in Cupertino, Ca. in the mid 70's. After the show a few of us went on stage with him and talked drums. The man was amazing, his hands flew and the basses were right there. He showed us that the speed is secondary to where in the rhythm you're adding the basses. I got to stand behind him and watch as he schooled us youngsters. You couldn't find a guy more down to earth.
This is my first time on this site and i dig it. After all I sold my soul for rock'n'roll. And remember, the drummer always gets the girl.

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

Nice stuff PondoJohnny. I honestly think that too many people are obsessed with the speed aspect of double bass over the rhythmic possiblities of double bass.

[DogBreath]

Nice stuff PondoJohnny. I honestly think that too many people are obsessed with the speed aspect of double bass over the rhythmic possiblities of double bass.
I think that too many people wear polyester pants, but so what? No one that I'm aware of believes that the speed aspect of the double bass is more important than the rhythmic or musical aspects. The best representatives of the WFD are gigging drummers, and not purely drumming athletes. And for those few who may put speed first... again, so what? If I feel that too many people do something, then bully for me. But in this case the facts can't bear out your assertation. The only way that one can define "too many" in this type of situation is "more than I'm comfortable with."

When you watch any competition between people, the only thing being measured is a single aspect of each of those people’s skills. That doesn’t mean that the only thing that matters is that one thing being measured. Drummers are drummers first and competitors second.

Some people like Jazz, and some people like Rock, and some people like Polka. Some people like a simple beat and some people like something more complex. Some people like slow, expressive drumming and some people like fast, exciting drumming.

And some people *shudder* wear polyester. I guess that I’ll just have to learn to be strong and live with that.

[ThomasDee]

I think that too many people wear polyester pants, but so what? No one that I'm aware of believes that the speed aspect of the double bass is more important than the rhythmic or musical aspects. The best representatives of the WFD are gigging drummers, and not purely drumming athletes. And for those few who may put speed first... again, so what? If I feel that too many people do something, then bully for me. But in this case the facts can't bear out your assertation. The only way that one can define "too many" in this type of situation is "more than I'm comfortable with."

When you watch any competition between people, the only thing being measured is a single aspect of each of those people’s skills. That doesn’t mean that the only thing that matters is that one thing being measured. Drummers are drummers first and competitors second.

Some people like Jazz, and some people like Rock, and some people like Polka. Some people like a simple beat and some people like something more complex. Some people like slow, expressive drumming and some people like fast, exciting drumming.

And some people *shudder* wear polyester. I guess that I’ll just have to learn to be strong and live with that.
Great post! Pretty much sums it up!

TD

[Jamie S]

Quite simply, if you are looking for honest single stroke clarity??
look no further than thunderfoot Tommy Aldridge himself. "OLDSCHOOL B A B Y !!!

[ThomasDee]

The fastest I have heard is Travis from Trivium. But I don't to much of the fast double bass etc stuff. Eg a lot of the heavy metal stuff.
I was reading back through this entire thread and just rediscovered this post. two things jumped out at me.

1. You may be correct in your choice of fastest DB player with Travis see
http://www.extremesportdrumming.com/press/md_may_2006.htm#travissmithmdmay06
Looks like he won the WFD Battle of tour drummers on OZZFEST! Pretty dang impressive!

2. Loved your Einstein quote, thought it hit home with the WFD opposition and went to the heart of what DB has just posted. I liked it so much I looked up the entire quote which reads.
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence and fulfills the duty to express the results of his thoughts in clear form." - -- Albert Einstein

Awesome stuff!

Did Einstein wear 'polyester'? hahaha! lol

TD

[DisrealiGears]

Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater has the fastet feet i've heard, but the videos on Drummerworld.com dont give him justice. I've been to see Dream Theater live and his feet fly.

[JT1]

Fact would have it that Tim Waterson is the fastest double bass player but i aint really heard him play in songs. Theres a guy on myspace who does the fastest ive ever heard its actually pretty unreal. If you go on myspace music and type in stench as the band name he comes up. (the logo is black with the word stench written in white) It is pretty much blast beats all the way but theres a bit in the middle of his first song where you can only hear the bass drum cause he cuts out all of the snare and its unbelievable. The best thing about him also is that he plays all the instruments himself so everything you hear is just him.

[ThomasDee]

Fact would have it that Tim Waterson is the fastest double bass player but i aint really heard him play in songs. Theres a guy on myspace who does the fastest ive ever heard its actually pretty unreal. If you go on myspace music and type in stench as the band name he comes up. (the logo is black with the word stench written in white) It is pretty much blast beats all the way but theres a bit in the middle of his first song where you can only hear the bass drum cause he cuts out all of the snare and its unbelievable. The best thing about him also is that he plays all the instruments himself so everything you hear is just him.
I agee! Also stay tuned to WFD in Austin. It's rumored that Tim 'the missile' Yeung has been working out and may go for the record. Tim Waterson is the current record holder, but word is 'the missile' really wants this one. If you saw the 'wired' magazine artcle at
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.05/posts.html?pg=2

Isn't Texas still considered 'The WEST'?

Shaping up like a shoot out in the west!

TD

[kohokevin]

joey jordison

one of the fastest drummers i ever seen

[METAL_DRUMMER]

Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater has the fastet feet i've heard, but the videos on Drummerworld.com dont give him justice. I've been to see Dream Theater live and his feet fly.

i agree with you, many people say hes not that good, i think he is one of the best there is listen his drumming in Train of Thought

[figure_02]

Mike Portnoy is a great drummer yes, and his feet is fast, but he is far from the fastest double bass player.

[ad9898]

I know people have different opinions, jordison,portnoy,yeung,sandoval etc..., however i think the thread has a definative answer, as far as WFD goes its Tim Waterson, their are various threads and links to show this and its very common knowledge.

Musically (as in whats been recorded on a cd as music that can be bought in your local shop), it is George Kollias of Nile, i'm almost certain this is a fact at the moment, (even Tim Waterson earlier on in this thread has said so and he should know :) )so before anyone comments that any of the above drummers or any other drummer has recorded anything faster than this please pick up a copy of Annhilation Of The Wicked first and take a listen, also take a look at the "feet video" at GeorgeKollias.com , and see the "swivel technique" at its best (again i point to Tim who has said on a video describing this technique that George has pushed this further than anyone at this time)

The fact that your looking at this thread would suggest you have an interest in this double bass subject, i urge you to check it out, it looks so fast (especially at the end) its hard to comprehend and must have taken years to perfect.

[Joss]

Tim Waterson may be the fastest, but i saw a video of him on youtube and it was uneven as hell.
In my opinion, George Kollias is the fastest. Not that my opinion, or anyone's matters.
go on georgekollias.com to see him in action.

[76RogersLondoner]

I recently saw Flo Mounier From Cryptopsy here live in Adelaide,South Australia.Unbelievably fast and the best I have seen so far !

[Unmerciful]

I HAVE HEARD A HEAP OF FAST METAL DRUMMERS BUT HE FASTEST IVE HEARD WOULD BE JOHN LONGSTRETH FROM ORIGIN BY FAR,INCLUDED BY ONE HANDED ROLLS!!! THIS GUY KILLS!

[dunkerton12]

Tim Waterson has got to get a mention.

Uh yeah, he's in Guinness as the fastest feet in the world. Tim Waterson, hands down.

He did over 1200 hits in 1 minute. That's more than 20 hits per second. Crazy.

[jonnodrummer]

i would say that some of travis smith's drumming on triviums 2nd album ascendancy is pretty fast - i dont know if hes the fastest but he is definately one of the fastest

[DreamTheater4life]

By far, DEREK RODDY!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.bosticman.com/derek/Powers.wmv



Check it out. His triggers weren't working right, so he got all pissed and was playing at 265-270. haha. So he started to like destroy his set because he was so angry. lol :)

[Bad Drummer]

For the last time, IT'S TIM WATERSON. He has the record for the World's Fastest Drummer in double pedal.

[neilpscuz]

My answer would be this, "who cares ?"

[jazzsnob]

By far, DEREK RODDY!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.bosticman.com/derek/Powers.wmv



Check it out. His triggers weren't working right, so he got all pissed and was playing at 265-270. haha. So he started to like destroy his set because he was so angry. lol :)


BRUTAL!!!!! WOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DogBreath]

My answer would be this, "who cares ?"
I guess anyone who posts in this thread.

Oh wait, that means you!

[JWM]

Tim Waterson>George Kollias>Derek Roddy?

[DPESS]

Fact would have it that Tim Waterson is the fastest double bass player but i aint really heard him play in songs. Theres a guy on myspace who does the fastest ive ever heard its actually pretty unreal. If you go on myspace music and type in stench as the band name he comes up. (the logo is black with the word stench written in white) It is pretty much blast beats all the way but theres a bit in the middle of his first song where you can only hear the bass drum cause he cuts out all of the snare and its unbelievable. The best thing about him also is that he plays all the instruments himself so everything you hear is just him.
that stench guy isnt drumming in his records, its programed

[Darren675]

Thoms Lang has the most controlled feet and there fast, mike mangini is crazy fast 2!

[Axis27]

I would probably say reno killerich of panzerchrist or george kollias of nile...i like reno better though cause he goes fast for like all of each song...and there songs are lik 3 or 4 minutes try goin over 240bpm for 4 minutes straight...

[Derek Matthews]

Some kid who has been influenced by todays drummers will smoke every pro drummer that ever existed, when his day comes. One of the things I have learned in my year of drumming is that drummers are great today because of the efforts of yesterdays drummers. The drummes of tomorrow will be great because of the drummers of today. A collective wisdom.

[resident_evo]

Hey i checket out that stench drummer and his footwork is pretty insane could be playin 16ths at 250 or 260bpm but im not convinced its actually him playin...the cymbals sound very drum machine so he could be usin machine for bass drums also...hope im wrong but thats my verdict anyway :)

[II xMETALx II]

The fastest I have heard is Travis from Trivium. But I don't to much of the fast double bass etc stuff. Eg a lot of the heavy metal stuff.

Yeah he is insane, in Decieved he plays so fast it just blows me away.

In my opnion there is only so fast that someone can kick the pedals, until your going to loose the whole effect. There are a lot of drummers that kick like crazy. One drummer that i find can kick very fast is the guy from Fear Factory. A number of their songs drum tracking is based around the double kicks, and he can kick damn fast!

[haz_91]

Well There is loads of really fast double pedal/double bass drum players around, in my view a few of the fastest double bass drum players around are Dave Mclain From Machine Head,Dainel Erlandsson from Arch Enemy and Gene Hoglan from Strapping Young Lad.But the fastest who knows???? could be some guy (or girl) we don't even know!!!!!!

[Mr. Pasquini]

Nicholas Barker is pretty quick, I've always had a thing for his blast beats, very precise. Haake is very fast, but he's got so much technique. I really like Paul Bostaph's playing on Slayer's "God Hates Us All" not that it was really incredibly fast, but it was very powerful, but I really prefer Lombardo over Bostaph for sheer power. Lombardo seems to have more power than speed though, he cracks bones and bends steel with each of his digits.

Oh and the guy from Fear Factory is Raymond Herrera, amazing drummer. He uses patterns rather than straight double bass. It's so much cooler sounding than straight LRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLR (ZzzzzzzzzZZzzzzzz)

[Tuckbess]

Hy all! I'm French, and I advise you to listen to this french metal band : Gojira
The Drummer, Mario Duplantier has a very good et fast double bass technic, he said in an interview that his goal when he was younger was to go faster than Pete Sandoval from Morbid Angel...
Linsten to it please, i Think you won't be disappointed..

Gojira's Dicography :
Terra Incognita (2000)
The Link (2003)
From Mars To Sirius (2005) (my Avatar is the cover of this album)

[Drum-Head]

Hy all! I'm French

Et un autre francophone nous rejoint! Welcome to you. :)

[Doom]

I listen to Gojira alot, IMO they are the best metal band around. Thats besides the point tho, the tracks I would suggest if you want to hear his double bass skill would be Remembrance firstly as the part at the end is crazyness. Also In The Forest and for different reasons I would listen to Flying Whales.

If you dont want to download their stuff you can go to their official site where all three of their albums plus some other tracks and available to listen for free.

[nickg]

i'm going to go out on a limb here and say WHO FRIKKIN' CARES??

if being the fastest is all you're concerned about then your chances of being a "band" player have just been narrowed down considerably.

i get more excitement out of listening to the drummers who played on the old motown, james brown, or al green tunes, or guys like mick fleetwood, simon kirke, phil rudd, or tony brock any day then any "fast" drummer.

when the f*** are you guys gonna get your heads out of your ass with the speed crap? yes, speed is good if it is called for in a particular song. but to obsess about it shows how frikkin' stupid some drummers are.

if it was all about speed some of the greatest ballads of all time wouldn't have ever been recorded.

[Doom]

Who said its ALL about speed?
You'd thinking talking about speed was a crime by the way some people react to it. There is nothing wrong with discussing any aspect of drumming, be it groove, musicality or balancing sticks on your earlobes.

Relax, please.

[Jeff Almeyda]

i'm going to go out on a limb here and say WHO FRIKKIN' CARES??

if being the fastest is all you're concerned about then your chances of being a "band" player have just been narrowed down considerably.

i get more excitement out of listening to the drummers who played on the old motown, james brown, or al green tunes, or guys like mick fleetwood, simon kirke, phil rudd, or tony brock any day then any "fast" drummer.

when the f*** are you guys gonna get your heads out of your ass with the speed crap? yes, speed is good if it is called for in a particular song. but to obsess about it shows how frikkin' stupid some drummers are.

if it was all about speed some of the greatest ballads of all time wouldn't have ever been recorded.

I see your point but you point out old motown songs as an example of how speed isn't important. The people on this thread are mostly metal players. They want to sound like Lombardo more than Stubblefield.

... and they certainly don't want to play ballads.

But yeah, who frikkin cares who the fastest is. A player either kicks ass or he doesn't.

[mattsmith]

But yeah, who frikkin cares who the fastest is. A player either kicks ass or he doesn't.

Totally agree.

You will also find this to be the consensus of nearly everyone actually possessing these particular abilities. I sure as heck don't go home thinking about it 24/7.

[Diesel_Weasel]

Leon Macey of Mithras is very fast on hands and feet, not to mention being a very good drummer in terms of style/dynamics. He reaches 270bpm 16ths double bass on their latest album 'Behind The shadows Lie Madness' on track 11 (Thrown Upon The Waves). The section lasts for around 2 minutes so isn't just a quick 10 sec blast. He's criminally underrated as a drummer - probably due to the fact that he's equally as good on guitar.

Sean Broster of Sarpanitum is also fast.

[spartacus1989]

Wow, it is amazing how some people go absolutly mental over some guy doing a really fast 16th note pattern on double kick for about 5 minites in the song!

[AKTTD]

The fastest double bass drum player could either be charlie benante or dave lombardo. I always thought they we're PERFECT opponents. lombardo is better in endurance, but charlie is faster with double bass.

[DreamTheater4life]

George Kollias on the song "Papyrus Containing the Spell to Preserve its Posessor Against Attacks from He who is in the Water" by Nile. the song is at 270 bpm and he 1 foots his blast beats all of the time, never 2 foot.

[pagit85]

dunno if anybodys mentioned this already but the reason i like Dave Lombardo best is because he doesnt use triggers unlike most of the other people in metal etc and still gets brutal hits at 840 (in angel of death, dunno if he goes faster elsewhere). few others do

[schist]

I think that Steve Ashiem is an amazing drummer. For example listen to Scars of the crucifix it shows his skill on the set!

Their latest album "The Stench of Redemption" blew my (already positive) opinions on Asheim out of the water!

In the title track and "Homage For Satan", for instance, he's playing 16th-notes at 240BPM (under blast beats, of course) for most of the song(s), compared to previous Deicide efforts, where the speed averaged 180-200BPM.

[TheGroceryman]

Well I'm not sure about double bass. But I sure know who has the fastest single foot! Mike Johnston! He's some dude I saw on youtube, he's got a lot of drum lesson video's and it is mind boggling how fast his right foot is. Here's a link of one of his "lessons."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q4ZUPEgbzu0&mode=related&search=

[Terra]

Totally agree.

You will also find this to be the consensus of nearly everyone actually possessing these particular abilities. I sure as heck don't go home thinking about it 24/7.

I completely agree.

No offence to the fans of the fastest drummers and even the guys who watch and compete in WFD.....I just don't get why being the fastest drummer in the world is such a cool thing....and this is coming from someone who did spend 10 years playing double kick..I have far more fun concentrating on single kick and groove these days....and i'm still a huge metal fan.

[jbutl78]

tim "herb" alexander?
-> "herb the ginseng drummer"

[schist]

dunno if anybodys mentioned this already but the reason i like Dave Lombardo best is because he doesnt use triggers unlike most of the other people in metal etc and still gets brutal hits at 840 (in angel of death, dunno if he goes faster elsewhere). few others do

"Angel of Death"'s double bass is squarely in the 200BPM range. So that adds up to 800 or so hits a minute.

[Terra]

"Angel of Death"'s double bass is squarely in the 200BPM range. So that adds up to 800 or so hits a minute.


I still think as great as Lombardo is, Paul Bostaph takes him (just!!)....Dittohead is a prime example.

[schist]

I still think as great as Lombardo is, Paul Bostaph takes him (just!!)....Dittohead is a prime example.


If you're talking speed, then yes, you would be correct. "Dittohead" is what? 230BPM? Somewhere around there?

[Tutin]

Mike Mallais anyone? I think that's probably a safe best as he is officially the fastest? Hmm?

[metal overlord]

Tim Yeungs really good, so is Dave Lombardo, and Inferno, theyre all amazing double-bassers.

[metal overlord]

i'm going to go out on a limb here and say WHO FRIKKIN' CARES??

if being the fastest is all you're concerned about then your chances of being a "band" player have just been narrowed down considerably.

i get more excitement out of listening to the drummers who played on the old motown, any day then any "fast" drummer.

when the f*** are you guys gonna get your heads out of your ass with the speed crap? yes, speed is good if it is called for in a particular song. but to obsess about it shows how frikkin' stupid some drummers are.

if it was all about speed some of the greatest ballads of all time wouldn't have ever been recorded.


Yep, all us speed/thrash metal drummers sure do want to play ballads. I think, you should just shut up. Because I really sure do wanna play mowtown. Ide rather get ran over by a lawn mower. I think you should check out some class act SPEED, listen to slayer, Dave Lombardo can drum circles around those drummers. And to my opinion is WHO FRIKKIN` CARES ABUT BALLADS! It's oldies, replace the o with an A and you get aldies, the most generic store ever.

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

Yep, all us speed/thrash metal drummers sure do want to play ballads. I think, you should just shut up. Because I really sure do wanna play mowtown. Ide rather get ran over by a lawn mower. I think you should check out some class act SPEED, listen to slayer, Dave Lombardo can drum circles around those drummers. And to my opinion is WHO FRIKKIN` CARES ABUT BALLADS! It's oldies, replace the o with an A and you get aldies, the most generic store ever.

What kind of argument is this? This is frankly insulting to all those generations of drummers who have laid the path for what you prefer. Do you have any idea how hard it is to play Motown and Reggae and Ballads? I'd hasten to guess that you've never tried, and if you have then you can only play the notes, not clock the feel. Speed is one aspect of drumming, like salt is one aspect of cooking. Too much salt and it ruins an otherwise perfectly good dish. I'm probably about your age and I can tell you that I'm perfectly open to listening to Ballads. More open to listening to Ballads than listening to Metal thank you and guess what? I listen to Metal. Open mindedness is something that you really have to develop as a musician.

[metal overlord]

What kind of argument is this? This is frankly insulting to all those generations of drummers who have laid the path for what you prefer. Do you have any idea how hard it is to play Motown and Reggae and Ballads? I'd hasten to guess that you've never tried, and if you have then you can only play the notes, not clock the feel. Speed is one aspect of drumming, like salt is one aspect of cooking. Too much salt and it ruins an otherwise perfectly good dish. I'm probably about your age and I can tell you that I'm perfectly open to listening to Ballads. More open to listening to Ballads than listening to Metal thank you and guess what? I listen to Metal. Open mindedness is something that you really have to develop as a musician.


You sound like my mom man (no offence, but thats nearly the EXACT same thing she said). But, well, I just think oldies, reggae, mowtown n stuff are boring. I like music that i can bang my head to, thrash around mindlessly, and just go, basically wild on the drums! I've been trying to try out differant music, and you know what? I go "ok, thats enough."

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

Well if you want to thrash your head around mindlessly, that's your prerogative. I just don't take kindly to people insulting forms of music of which they know nothing about. Subtlety is an art which you seem to have missed. It's funny, I used to be into Metal; but then I realised that there was a whole lot more to music.

[mattsmith]

Yep, all us speed/thrash metal drummers sure do want to play ballads. I think, you should just shut up. Because I really sure do wanna play mowtown. Ide rather get ran over by a lawn mower. I think you should check out some class act SPEED, listen to slayer, Dave Lombardo can drum circles around those drummers. And to my opinion is WHO FRIKKIN` CARES ABUT BALLADS! It's oldies, replace the o with an A and you get aldies, the most generic store ever.

Man, the real guys who do the stuff you're into are into all kinds of music and would be most likely embarassed by your comments. You mention Tim Yeung who I know for a fact respects it all. You're on the wrong forum to be lecturing people on as you call it class act SPEED. A lot of us here have been around that block already, but that still doesn't stop people from seeing the bigger picture. Good luck with your playing.

[Tutin]

Man, the real guys who do the stuff you're into are into all kinds of music and would be most likely embarassed by your comments. You mention Tim Yeung who I know for a fact respects it all. You're on the wrong forum to be lecturing people on as you call it class act SPEED. A lot of us here have been around that block already, but that still doesn't stop people from seeing the bigger picture. Good luck with your playing.

So true, guys like Derek Roddy, who's also great funk, blues etc. drummer, would probably ashamed.

I'd like to see George K at a WFD event, that'd be pretty kick ass.

[fazzybOO`]

I think it's the Kataklysm drummer... He has a vid doing 290. i was bewildered... it sounds like an explosion when the strokes start. aweseome

[Gilded]

Before you make up your mind listen at 3:06 on- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5pBro_pxEU

[jonescrusher]

Before you make up your mind listen at 3:06 on- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5pBro_pxEU




Jimeny Cricket!



...

[sio_13]

Before you make up your mind listen at 3:06 on- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5pBro_pxEU

Yeah that's pretty insane, but I have a hard time believing it's real... if it is, then hats off to that guy.

[aydee]

I'm having as hard a time as Sio..

[DreamTheater4life]

I believe that is real. all singles. that's how black and death metal drummer do it mostly. he's probably just tapping it though, but it's real alright.

[Tutin]

It's not singles, it's doubles. I was informed by a Dimmu fan that although it'd be ridiculously awesome for him to play it as singles (it's like 290!!!?) he's playing doubles.

265bpm is the fastest single-stroke double bass on record today, featured on Niles "Sacrifice unto sebeck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4k2kFQn5WA)" (George Kollias on drums).

It comes in about 2:16.

[DreamTheater4life]

It's not singles, it's doubles. I was informed by a Dimmu fan that although it'd be ridiculously awesome for him to play it as singles (it's like 290!!!?) he's playing doubles.

265bpm is the fastest single-stroke double bass on record today, featured on Niles "Sacrifice unto sebeck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4k2kFQn5WA)" (George Kollias on drums).

It comes in about 2:16.

Now it's 271. George did it again on Nile's "Papyrus Containing the Spell to Preserve its Posessor Against Attacks from He Who is in the Water" awsome song too.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HDKzWGIaFfY one foot blasts throughout the song. it's only one bar of 16th's (but it's freaking 270!!!!) it comes in at 2:16

[tak22thegoat]

Before you make up your mind listen at 3:06 on- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5pBro_pxEU

WTF?!! Good to know those are doubles, otherwise I would have thrown away my bass drum

[Tutin]

Now it's 271. George did it again on Nile's "Papyrus Containing the Spell to Preserve its Posessor Against Attacks from He Who is in the Water" awsome song too.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HDKzWGIaFfY one foot blasts throughout the song. it's only one bar of 16th's (but it's freaking 270!!!!) it comes in at 2:16

Ah yeah, I thought that song was faster, but I never really bothered to find out what tempo it was at. Jesus christ, that's ridiculous. IT'S 2FREAKING70!!!!!! WTF?"?"!?2

[jmonko]

I'd say Ryan Thomas of As Blood Runs Black is pretty fast.

Anyway's 'I’d say he's the best drummer I’ve ever seen.

[Tutin]

His fast parts are heel-toe doubles though, guys like George are playing singles. Don't like his drumming very much, but to each their own.

[jjmason777]

Man, I just gotta say that I was playing double bass before a lot of you were born. Two bass drums. Back before double pedals. I was playing the LA club circut from '79-'82, our band Medusa, was sharing the stage with bands such as Ratt, Quiet Riot, Motley Crue, Slayer, Stryper, etc, etc. I say all of this so you know that I know what I'm talking about.

My point is: The whole double bass thing these days is done to the point of overkill. I can barely listen to metal anymore. You might as well just overdub a machine-gun over the music. What happened to leaving space? You know Bonham's whole bag was knowing what NOT to play. I got so sick of it that I went back to one bass drum and one pedal. I am having SO much more fun now!

This is just my personal feelings and experience on the subject. I'm not saying you kids should give it up, in fact, I AM amazed at the speed that some of these guys can play, I just don't find it very musical, You kids have fun, but one day you will see there's more to life and drumming than just speed for speed's sake. Thanks for reading this, I feel better now.

[sio_13]

My point is: The whole double bass thing these days is done to the point of overkill. I can barely listen to metal anymore. You might as well just overdub a machine-gun over the music. What happened to leaving space? You know Bonham's whole bag was knowing what NOT to play. I got so sick of it that I went back to one bass drum and one pedal. I am having SO much more fun now!

I couldn't have said it better myself. Double bass in such extremities just isn't cool anymore, IMAO

[Tutin]

Too right, the bit about Bonham was a good point. You have to stop at some point.

[jason]

nope I agree with the one guy about dimmu borgir. but I saw this thing about the world records and A guy got 150 beats in the first ten seconds. but he was just tapping it. wussy crap. couldnt even hear it

[jason]

but when I was just like, 11 I thought the fastest was all that remains. I can almost go that fast and I am almost 14. But I have a hard time with keeping it going evenly.

[schist]

Now it's 271. George did it again on Nile's "Papyrus Containing the Spell to Preserve its Posessor Against Attacks from He Who is in the Water" awsome song too.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HDKzWGIaFfY one foot blasts throughout the song. it's only one bar of 16th's (but it's freaking 270!!!!) it comes in at 2:16

Uh, yeah, about that - sorry dude, but that is not 270BPM. That particular section in the song is around 80BPM, and that's a half-bar of 32nd-note triplets you're referring to. Which, put into common time, would be equal to 32nds at around 120BPM. (or 16ths at 240BPM - which, of course, is still wicked fast!)

[Nodiggie]

Stef Broks - Textures

I have never heard progressive metal phrasing pushed to this extreme. The guy is inhuman.

[Mr. Serpent]

I don't have a lot of knowledge on the subject, but Travis Smith (Trivium) has some fairly fast feet.

I believe he won a competition at Ozzfest for sustaining 200BPM for about a minute (something like that, the details escape me).

Then again, as people in this topic have already said, speed isn't always everything.

[Deitey]

Andrew Barker from The Faceless, look up the song, an autopsy, drums only, faster than light man!
Cradle of Filth's drummer, (the forest whipers my name)
Marduk's drummer
Cattle Decapitation's drummer (A Body Farm)

[eddiehimself]

I don't know why we're even having this discussion. We all know that i could RIP up a walking bassline...




oh i see.

[Bernhard]

Uh, yeah, about that - sorry dude, but that is not 270BPM. That particular section in the song is around 80BPM, and that's a half-bar of 32nd-note triplets you're referring to. Which, put into common time, would be equal to 32nds at around 120BPM. (or 16ths at 240BPM - which, of course, is still wicked fast!)

Demonstration from George up to 280 is here:

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/georgekollias200280.html

Bernhard

[mattvdh]

Everybody is so quick to jump on the Roddy and Kollias bandwagon... people seem to always fail to mention TIM WATERSON or JOHN LONGSTRETH!

[jimc804]

joey jordison has very fast feet but he may not neccesarily be the fastest. I still think he is a very good drummer though

[SethDavis1200]

Demonstration from George up to 280 is here:

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/georgekollias200280.html

Bernhard

Mr. Bernhard Nailed it.

I am not biased because we are friends first off..
Proof is Proof. George is effortlessly excellent.
Until I see VIDEO PROOF or in person proof I rest assured
with my padner.

Seth Davis

www.youtube.com/themoellerkiller

[Stoney]

Although I find it amazing how fast some of these drummers feet are gimme a beat like Bonhams "When the levee breaks" ANYDAY!

[beatboy21212]

Louis Bellson, Skin Deep - Duke Ellington, uptown!!!!!!!!

Brought the double bass to the lime light like nobody had ever done before!

[Concrete Pete]

Hey Crew,

HOLY MOLEY-- That George Kolias Is HELLA SUPER fast on the kicks!

I would give my left wingnut to be able to play 1/2 that speed.

Now, a question-- what kind of pedals is he using? I think whoever makes those pedals should use his video for promotional purposes--I would!

Rock forever,
C. P.

[Ian Williams]

Ian Paice, playing two kicks in Fireball intro. What an amazing effect!

[Stoney]

Judging by what 'Flying Leukemia' has to write about himself in the 'tool' thread. Surely the fastest double bass player has to be him!
In fact I'm quite surprised he hasn't already commented on himself here yet.....

[Gilran]

No Finnish drummers posted here, what's wrong?
Try Timo Häkkinen, played in Funeris Nocturnum, Atakhama and in some others.
Here's a Funeris Nocturnum song Seitsemäs Portti, I don't know how many bpm the d-basses are, but combined with that handworking it all sounds fast like hell!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TErl232F5sc

-Gilran

[Hedon]

probably kollias
also he's using real heavy strokes not tapping the bass like a girl -]

[BassDriver]

Thomas Lang is fast, not as fast as some guys out there (Tim Waterson, Mike Machine, George Kollias) but what matters is he is precise.

He so good at it he can practice two things at once.

Fast double-kick drumming on music record would be by George Kollias (about sixteenth notes at 250 bpm (quarter note beats of course), or something close).

Anyway, all these freaks (I mean that in a good way) that are really fast are naturally quite precise anyway but Thomas Lang tops it.

Virgil Donati is known for being one of the fastest drummers to do double kick doubles and record it in music (but I think Mike Machine tops it in speed but probably not precision).

Just like to remind you all that 16th notes at 300 bpm (1/4 beats) HAS NOT BEEN DONE!

The WFD record would be just above 280 bpm, so Kollias is just near.

Seriously, how much of that stuff that George Kollias does would you say is musical.

Thomas Lang and Virgil can atleast make it creative and musical...that is skill in itself!

Do you see George Kollias perhaps getting as many sessions and gigs as say Phil Rudd, Bernhard Purdie, Steve Gadd, Steve Smith or Dennis Chambers?

How many of those guys (George Kollias-esques) do you see with smiles on their faces?

Double-kick drumming is a tool in drumming, and best applied when it's sounds good in a musical sense.

George Kollias has the physical ability to do that double-kick work, he is also very creative, but he still should to apply that physical ability and creativity into a musical setting that sounds good and not generic and boring.

It is really his choice, he didn't choose to play fusion or funk or jazz, his taste, if what he does is what makes him happy, that's okay too...I'm not going to be listening to that though, so are a lot of people with similar musical tastes.

Dennis Chambers uses double-kick drumming but in grooves and fills, not "BASH SIMULTANEOUSLY FESTS".

I like metal, but when it sounds good, there is sometimes a time when one comes across listening to a black metal or deathcore band that isn't just "instant gratification", they are really talented in the aspect (not just ridiculously fast technique) that they make it musical and pleasing (sometimes harsh vocals or unusually high-pitched male voices can be pleasing to some people)...let music be way it was meant to be...pleasing to the ear.

If you think that 250 bpm buzzing double-kick chops sounds good, well that's your taste and remember, there is no majority music...we all have different musical tastes.

...some styles more popular or more underground than others for example not many people listen to black-ambience, but much more people listen to pop music...

Being realistic, a good session drummer will do the job, in general he/she may like the job but sometimes there are few styles she/he dislikes, but otherwise if the job is not done the drummer won't be happy when he/she doesn't have it anymore.

BTW George Kollias is an awesome drummer, but please don't take the sound of such drummers at face value.

[theindian]

Thomas Lang is impressive, the flam tap/flam accent pattern he does in the kicks is really cool. Although I woudn't say it is any more "musical" or "tasteful" than a straight 16th pattern. More creative, yes, would still not sound appropriate in most songs though.

I like a some fast double bass a lot but some of it is at the point of being ridiculous. There is some guy on youtube (I won't post a link so not to add to the madness anymore than already is) claims to be the fastest in the world, faster than the current wfd. Its very fast, using alternating heel/toe strokes. The vid is a full minute of a buzzing sound with maybe 1/2 inch heights at most off the drum. Why would you even want to be able to do that?

I really like Lombardo's kick drum sound, full hieghts, acoustic kick drums. The way it should sound. Even on older slow stuff like Chemical Warfare, the breakdown in the middle is so heavy b/c that kick part. I am a really big Morbid Angel fan, but Pete's drums keep getting more electronic Roland V kit sounding. They would sound so much better acoustic. Before you extreme metal guys start hating, I know triggers become necessary in some instances, I just wish they sounded more natural.

I don't know, random ranting..sorry, just what on my mind atm.

[Django136]

Joey Jordison is the fastest double bass player in my opinion

[Tim Waterson]

Joey Jordison is the fastest double bass player in my opinion
This is pretty fast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9W7SQrk-VY
enjoy
Tim

[Funnyman]

Tom Haake from Meshuggah.

[jamest]

Tom Haake from Meshuggah.

I'd go with that, he's daaaammmmmn fast!

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[Silensedge]

I've heard that Dimmu Borgir's "The Chosen Legacy" has the fastest drumming with Hellhammer in it. He keeps it up for a fair amount of time and there's no doubt it's not fast. There's a video I saw on youtube where someone gets something like 1530 hits out of a double-bass in a minute, not entirely sure it's real though as you can't see his feet properly.

[cluckers]

I would say Eric Singer!

[Ian Williams]

John Tempesta:

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/johntempestamd97.html

[trysthedrummer]

Love the inverted doubles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I44OaOWYmQs