Zildjian New Beat Hi Hats

[jp2638]

I play these hi-hats at school that I really like and I wanna get them for my set at home, but all is says is Zildjian New Beat hi hats (They are not A new beat hi hats). I've looked on the internet and musiciansfriend.com and stuff but I can't find them anywhere. Do they not make them anymore or does someone know where I can get them?

Thanks! I appreciate your help.

[fanagel]

" New Beats" are part of the zildjian "A" Line ( not A custom). Yes they still make New Beats. I have a set of 15" hats from the seventies. Taylor Hawkins ( Foo Fighters) uses a set of 15" New Beats. check Ebay for Great deals.

[badlydubbedsean]

That's right - It's the Avedis Zildjian line. Steve White uses the 15" New Beats. Check the zildjian web - www.zildjian.com - and eBay has some good deals. I saw some 15" New Beats starting at 99p, so it's worth watching.

[Cymbalrider]

Well they are Zildjians before they started the model naming mess. Chances are they are from the 70s-80s. I think it was during the 90s when they started calling cymbals into different series. I have a set of the new New Beats (from 2005) and well they aren't the same as the old ones you hear recorded in music. The story is that while they don't sound bad and that they blend with almost any style they have a strange ringing problem. I attribute this to their heavier weight especially the bottom one. I think the top one is heavy enough to be a bottom. This extra weight I think keeps them from sizzling like the ones in the 60s. They are great hi-hats if you aren't sure of what kind of sound you want and you need a general purpose pair that sounds pretty good. I can't recommend them if you are wanting a vintage sound though. If you do, check out their A Zildjian Vintage hats (quite expensive though) .

[Zalloy]

You can get yourself a nice vintage pair of New Beats for around $100-120 on the bay usually.

I don't know what "ringing" problem there is but, I have had just about every era New Beats and they all sounded great. Nice chick, good sizzle, and can cut through well.

Good versitile hats. I swear by them.

[gretsch223]

I have the 14 inch new beats and I LOVE THEM!!!!!! Go with the new beats....most versitile hats in the cymbal world!

[Skitch]

I have an newer pair of New Beats and have not noticed any ringing. New Beats are great Hi hats and you can usually find a great pair used or on Ebay. The model name "New Beat Hi Hats" has been around since the late 1960s or early 1970s.


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[Zildjian 242]

I have the 14 inch new beats and I LOVE THEM!!!!!! Go with the new beats....most versitile hats in the cymbal world!

I agree 100%.... Its impossible to find a better set of hats then them

[bonzolead]

i've got a pair of 14" new beats from 1984 and I still use them to this day.they are a great sounding pair of hi-hats.

Bonzolead

[AronMapex]

they are A series not A customs

[ellenvannin105]

New Beats are very versatile and can be used for almost every purpose.My own set is from the 1960s.I think they were introduced in 1965 or thereabouts.FYI: cymbal companies always used Model Names to describe their lines,it wasn't until the late 1960s /
early 1970s that they started plastering their logos and name tags all over everything.

[funkydrummer1818]

Hi guys!
I have an option..
What is the best option 70's new beats or the 80's ones? And what is the main difference in them? I heared that 80 are not as good as the 60's or 70's ones...
Also what is the difference from 80's and the new up to date ones? They are just heavier?

When did zildjian stopped hand hummering by cymbalsmiths? I heared that now it's all mashine hammered.. So i guess the 70's new beats are hammered by human hand?

Let me know thanks...

[Zildjian 242]

When did zildjian stopped hand hummering by cymbalsmiths? I heared that now it's all mashine hammered.. So i guess the 70's new beats are hammered by human hand?

Let me know thanks...


Honestly there is not to much of a difference between a hand/ machine hammerd cymbal. All company's will make the cymbal sound almost exactly the same as the prototype's

[funkydrummer1818]

Is there is a big difference between 70's and 80's new beats?

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

Honestly there is not to much of a difference between a hand/ machine hammerd cymbal. All company's will make the cymbal sound almost exactly the same as the prototype's

Wrong, wrong and oh, wrong again...

[Tom B.]

I have the 14", and there awesome.

[pdp 9091]

Heres a recording i have of my 14" new beat combos (top- late 60's model - bottom- early 70s canada zildjian plant model)

[funkydrummer1818]

Getting new Zildjian New beats is a good investment? I thought about getting vintage ones.. But for me it's like wearing someoneelses pants! HAHAHA.. You know what I mean.. I heared that the new new beats are actualy thiker than paiste rude hats!!

[Zildjian 242]

Wrong, wrong and oh, wrong again...

ok explain why then.

[evans_69]

i agree with Mediocrefunkybeat.. i have never heard a zildjian or sabian cymbal of exact size and model that sound identical.. i had a 19" aaxplosion and my local drum store ordered another in after putting them side by side mine sounded awfull....Paiste on the other hand are pretty good at cymbal matching..

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

Honestly there is not to much of a difference between a hand/ machine hammerd cymbal. All company's will make the cymbal sound almost exactly the same as the prototype's

Right. Where to start.

When hand hammering a cymbal, there are two basic ideologies going on. You're either hammering purely for shape, or hammering for sound and shape. Most companies who hand hammer solely (Istanbul, Bosphorous, etc) will do it purely for shape, which can produce varying results. Some people hammer for shape and for sound. Hammering can alter the tension in a cymbal, which can alter the sound significantly depending on the inherent tension present.

So far, there is little difference between machine hammering and hand hammering. This is where they vary.

Hammering by hand allows the hammerer to select the area of the cymbal he wishes to hammer. He (or indeed she) can sit there, consider the stroke and decide how hard to make the aforementioned stroke. One thing is important. The location and pressure of the hammering is absolutely vital in creating the desired result. A machine CANNOT judge where to strike to achieve the desired result, there is no set rule, no mathematic formula to creating a cymbal sound, and as such, hand hammered cymbals rely on the craftsperson to make their own decision, something computers cannot do.

What's worse is that, with companies like Zildjian, they try and sell their products as extensively hammered and that, for some reason, doing it with a computer and machine produces the same result as a person and a cymbal. It simply doesn't. The biggest blasphemy in this is what Ziljdian call 'random' hammering on their K Constantinople line. Hammering by hand is NOT random, far, far from it. Every stroke is considered. It is condescending and insulting to cymbalsmiths to imply that their job can be done by a computer programme and one that produces 'identical' results. In reality, the sound of a truly hand hammered cymbal is something that cannot be replicated by machine and never will be. A great hand hammered cymbal really is something that is utterly unique.