k custom dark ride

[drumbandit]

could you use a 20inch k custom dark ride for punk/rock situations?or has anyone and got any advice
thanks

[Drummer Karl]

Well...if you like it: Take it.
I also really like the sound, on the first look it looks and sounds pretty thick...it is a medium thin cymbal though!
As I said, I like it...but I`m also a "Jazz-guy"...I find it a bit too thin for harder stuff/rock punk.

anyway, go out and try some K Custom, overall amazing cymbals...why not try the Medium Ride?

Karl

[hello]

Well...if you like it: Take it.
I also really like the sound, on the first look it looks and sounds pretty thick...it is a medium thin cymbal though!
As I said, I like it...but I`m also a "Jazz-guy"...I find it a bit too thin for harder stuff/rock punk.

anyway, go out and try some K Custom, overall amazing cymbals...why not try the Medium Ride?

Karl


Yeah, try the Medium K Custom Ride. I own the 20" version, its a fantastic all-round cymbal.

[evans_69]

i used to have a 20" K custom dark ride and it was useless for rock IMO.... makes a good crash though...

[RudimentalDrummer]

could you use a 20inch k custom dark ride for punk/rock situations?or has anyone and got any advice
thanks

I think "K" is not suitable for Rock...go for "A"

[tamaboy124]

It doesn't matter if its an 'a' or a 'k' if it sounds good, GET IT!!!

[Drummer Karl]

I think "K" is not suitable for Rock...go for "A"

I would disagree here...up to a point I`d say that K or K Customs can be also great for heavy rock and even metal music. There are also heavy models which fit well into heavy music like Rock.

PS: K Custom Ride, the classical Custom Ride sound, heavier, very versatile, also fits into Rock...

Karl

[gr82bagn]

I agree with Drummer Karl the K Custom I have holds up to some pretty heavy rock aka The Who, Zeppelin and yes even Black Sabbath (old school).

[iceagecomin]

I was looking at the 22" K Custom dark ride. Traditional finish. I have an 18" K custom dark crash and really like the medium thin feel and sound.
I'm using a medium weight 21" Sweet ride now and I like it, but i feel the thickness, stronger ping and bright, thick wash isn't working as well for my playing now. Though i will definitely hold onto it, because it's discontinued.
The dark ride sounded trashier, quicker and lighter, probably alot like my dark crash.

Does anyone have any experience with the 22" K Custom Dark Ride?

[Sesh]

I used the 20" K custom dark for almost everything for 3 years - rock, metal,jazz, punk, everything pretty much. Cracked after the 3 years (as it is a bit thin for all that beating), but sounded fantastic for everything if you like a crashy ride - stunning cymbal. And, it held up astonishingly well to say what I put it through - 3 years of very very heavy gigging (and I really beat cymbals).

Ace - for a crashy ride, not good if you want stick definition and the like for rock, but I don't!

[wnameth]

I believe the drummer of Saosin (http://www.myspace.com/saosin) uses K cymbals (or atleast he does on the recording dvd that came with my cd) he uses a K crash and Ride)

-Wes

[relyc]

I tend to think it's really a matter of what you want your ride cymbals to do. If you want a really pingy, 80's sound (Matt Sorum, Alex Van Halen, et al) you're not going to want a thin K cymbal. Look more towards the heavy weights that Zildjian has to offer.

If you're looking for a more new rock sound, the trend is that of using only a few very big cymbals with a lot of wash to carry the band with. The object of this type of sound is not to cut, but more to carry/support the guitar and "beef it up" a bit (check out Mike Marsh of Dashboard Confessional, etc.).

There is a median to this and I believe it's best expressed through the playing of Abe Cunningham of the Deftones. It's a technique he calls "mashing". What it comes down to is playing a very heavy cymbal very, very hard. I believe he uses a heavy A Custom ride (though I am not a large fan of his so I am not entirely sure).

The argument that K cymbals are used only in jazz is absolute bollocks and can be disproven with one name: Lars Ulrich. Again, I personally am not a large fan of his, but I know for a fact that he has used a K ride for at least as long as I have been alive.

Finally, for my tastes and preferences in a cymbal sound, I very much enjoy the cushion that a large, washy cymbal offers. I have no desire to cut through with a ride cymbal pitched at a frequency high enough to hurt my dog's ears. I want to support the band and I feel it best done through the use of a large washy cymbal just like the K Custom Dark Ride (I'm buying a 22' to supplement my current 21' Sweet Ride).

Cheers.
Best of luck.

[the gayge]

I've actually used a 20" k custom dark ride as a left side crash when I play with much louder bands. I play it opposite an a custom medium ride and they create a pretty interesting sound set. I used to use them both as crashes with a z custom power ride for a kind of southern rock band. Now I'm using the a custom as a ride in a thrash band and it just proved to me more that the dark ride can totally stand alone on its own as a crash. I also use it as a left side ride for jazz playing opposite a 22" paiste traditional light ride. What I'm getting at is that I think its a really wonderful cymbal and was a great investment (it was actually free, but I'll happily buy another if it breaks).

Regarding whether it would be as applicable in a rock situation, it seems as though there wouldn't really be a lot to it. The cymbal spreads and creates a pretty big roar really quick. It would work well for a kind of "wall of sound" thing, but doesn't really lend itself to a lot of definition. While I completely agree with relyc said about not needing to cut through, I also think that a cymbal that has trouble transmitting any subtlety above a p volume level and just creates an overwhelming rush of under and overtones can be just as garish in a musical setting.

The 22" may better lend itself to what you're looking for though. The extra diameter will mellow the cymbals tendency to come dangerously close to severe edge wobble.

Good luck man, I hope some of that can help you and not just confuse you further.

[TomasHakkesBrain]

I've actually used a 20" k custom dark ride as a left side crash when I play with much louder bands. I play it opposite an a custom medium ride and they create a pretty interesting sound set. I used to use them both as crashes with a z custom power ride for a kind of southern rock band. Now I'm using the a custom as a ride in a thrash band and it just proved to me more that the dark ride can totally stand alone on its own as a crash. I also use it as a left side ride for jazz playing opposite a 22" paiste traditional light ride. What I'm getting at is that I think its a really wonderful cymbal and was a great investment (it was actually free, but I'll happily buy another if it breaks).

Regarding whether it would be as applicable in a rock situation, it seems as though there wouldn't really be a lot to it. The cymbal spreads and creates a pretty big roar really quick. It would work well for a kind of "wall of sound" thing, but doesn't really lend itself to a lot of definition. While I completely agree with relyc said about not needing to cut through, I also think that a cymbal that has trouble transmitting any subtlety above a p volume level and just creates an overwhelming rush of under and overtones can be just as garish in a musical setting.

The 22" may better lend itself to what you're looking for though. The extra diameter will mellow the cymbals tendency to come dangerously close to severe edge wobble.

Good luck man, I hope some of that can help you and not just confuse you further.

Thats quite a good idea-you can have the dark ride on the left and crash on it for rock and ride on it for jazz.

Maybe consider a constantinople ride..not that much more expensive but awesome sound and gets better with age