Pretty interesting set...any thoughts/information?

[Bad Drummer]

http://cgi.ebay.com/WilloughCraft-Drum-C-A-T-Series-Bop-Drum-Set-w-Snare_W0QQitemZ250048727663QQihZ015QQcategoryZ3809 7QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


what do you guys think? It looks really cool to me...but I've never heard of them. Does anyone know about these guys?

edit: http://www.willoughcraft.com/

These guys seem pretty new to the game...does anyone know if they sound good or anyone that plays/has played them?

[Synthetik]

Hmmm...

1) "Willoughcraft Prototype C.A.T. Bop set with custom shells All drums seat heads according to the Dresden philosophy which helps present an uninhibited, and true flat membrane (head) to the bearing edge."
> This pretense assumes that every one else has a flawed bearing edge. Aquarian heads are designed to aid in this aspect.

2) "Stagger direction of clamp to distribute the load on the kick drum rail mount."
> The best way to do that, is not to have all that extra hardware screwed into the kick drum.

3) The CAT lugs
> look a lot like Ayotte lugs that have been around for years.

I am not commenting on quality or sound. But the technology they present seems a bit stratified.

[harryconway]

Way too much "stuff" hanging off that kit for my tastes. I understand what he's trying do do and minumize the hardware, but that looks like a drum kit bolted into an external fixation device.

[crumbdrums]

I agree with the previous posts. I've never heard the kit, but it looks to me that the mounting system is to cluttered. It looks to much like the maker was trying to impress drummers with a novel (not neccesarily good or bad) idea, rather than go with a more reliable, functional system. Who knows.

[GRUNTERSDAD]

It looks to me as if the rack tom is mounted upside down. and I dont understand their logic in using oversized heads on the drums. 13 inch snare with a 14 inch head, per their web page.

[Synthetik]

Oh yeah... "oversized heads" was done in the 70's by Pearl. The idea was, a slightly undersized shell would make for a gong drum like effect, and maximize drumhead contact.

[Deathmetalconga]

People were using bass drum rails in the 1930s for holding toms and percussion. This is a modern version of a very well-established mounting technique. Nice drum!

What I think is dumb is when manufacturers boast about their tom suspension mounts, then stick the whole 20 pounds of hardware into a one-inch hole ored into the bass drum. Makes no sense.

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[mlehnertz]

A 12 heavy ply 18" bass drum? 12 ply? Good God.

[Deathmetalconga]

A 12 heavy ply 18" bass drum? 12 ply? Good God.


That ain't nothin'. My drums are a half-inch thick! I love heavy, solid, thick shells.

Ironwood drum set at http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18719

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[mlehnertz]

I bet 12 heavy ply is thicker than 1/2". My 6-ply maple Ludwigs are at least 1/4" I'd bet. I wish I had a ruler.

That ain't nothin'. My drums are a half-inch thick! I love heavy, solid, thick shells.

Ironwood drum set at http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18719

www.terrasonus.com

[Deathmetalconga]

I bet 12 heavy ply is thicker than 1/2". My 6-ply maple Ludwigs are at least 1/4" I'd bet. I wish I had a ruler.

You can get a cheap plastic caliper for a few bucks at a hardware store. Also, if you get another set of hands, have someone pinch a couple of small wood blocks inside and outside the shell and measure the distance between them with a ruler. It would be interesting to know what's the thickest shell made.

Ironwood drum set at http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=18719

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[mlehnertz]

I put a straight edge on the inside of my Ludwig shell, put a ruler on the straight edge and eyeballed the outside measurement. My eyeball view measured 5/8". That's 6 ply maple.

I'll get a cheap caliper. Only problem is that my shell is wrapped so I'll have to deduct slightly. I still bet it comes out at 5/8 or more.

You can get a cheap plastic caliper for a few bucks at a hardware store.

[Synthetik]

I put a straight edge on the inside of my Ludwig shell, put a ruler on the straight edge and eyeballed the outside measurement. My eyeball view measured 5/8". That's 6 ply maple.

I'll get a cheap caliper. Only problem is that my shell is wrapped so I'll have to deduct slightly. I still bet it comes out at 5/8 or more.

My kick drum is about 1/8" thick. My toms are 2.92mm.

[mlehnertz]

Those are some Thinshells.

My kick drum is about 1/8" thick. My toms are 2.92mm.

[Bad Drummer]

Those are some Thinshells.

why did he get banned anyways?

[Skitch]

Oh yeah... "oversized heads" was done in the 70's by Pearl. The idea was, a slightly undersized shell would make for a gong drum like effect, and maximize drumhead contact.

I think that Premier was doing this with the Signia line in the 1990s as well with the theory that, since a tympani has an oversize head..........

Mike

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[Skitch]

Way too much "stuff" hanging off that kit for my tastes. I understand what he's trying do do and minumize the hardware, but that looks like a drum kit bolted into an external fixation device.

When you play the Kick drum, all of the stuff attached to it will resonate as well and that isn't necessarily bad, but is a consideration.


Mike

http://www.mikemccraw.com
http://www.dominoretroplate.com


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[mlehnertz]

Pissed off the wrong people. I think it was a mutual divorce and some people believe he's back. Good to have him back because he's very knowledgable regarding hardware.

why did he get banned anyways?

[Deathmetalconga]

I agree with the previous posts. I've never heard the kit, but it looks to me that the mounting system is to cluttered. It looks to much like the maker was trying to impress drummers with a novel (not neccesarily good or bad) idea, rather than go with a more reliable, functional system. Who knows.

The trade-off is that there are NO stands at all (just the hihat stand). Much reduced floor footprint.

If this were the standard way of presenting drum sets, someone would look at a set with a bunch of cymbal and tom stands around it and say "Wow, that looks really cluttered."

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