Vinnie Colaiuta Lick!

[meandhimcallitus]

I was wondering if someone is willing to tell me/transcribe what the hell Vinnie is doing at the beginning. I know its a half-time shuffle groove but theirs some metric-modulation around the 5th measure and I can't seem to get my head around it.
Any help would be appreciated

Thanks, ahead of time

Here It is:
Karizma- Five-Storks
http://www.houseofdrumming.com/mp3s/karizma_five_storks.mp3

Vinnie Colaiuta

[djp132]

im trying to isolate the drum part in a music editing program, give me a bit and ill get it, unless someone beats me to it. Its either 5 against 6 or a real fast 4 against 3. I dig this tune.


Derrick

[meandhimcallitus]

Appreciate it alot Derrick.

[djp132]

This is a major B!T@# !! haha, vinnie rules. I know what hes doing though. The phrase is in a triplet 6 feel but he breaks that and plays the hihat on top in a fast 4 with offbeat accents all over the place. This might take awhile.... but its fun.

After i get it down on paper ill try and post a midi file

Derrick

[djp132]

See if this sounds right so far, its just the first four bars after the pickup.

www.derrickpope.net/vinnie_5storks_first4.mp3

Its probably WAY off. Vinnie is insane.

Derrick

[meandhimcallitus]

Wow thanks derrick. You almost got it down perfect and probably the closest am going to get. Thanks

[toteman2]

That is one sick groove.

[SickRick]

There is a full transcription of that thing at www.terradrummica.de

There are some more transcriptions there from Vinnie, Dave Weckl, Dave DiCenso and others. Check it out.

[Jeff Almeyda]

There is a full transcription of that thing at www.terradrummica.de

There are some more transcriptions there from Vinnie, Dave Weckl, Dave DiCenso and others. Check it out.

Hey Rick,

That's one nice site. The transciptions are really cool! I just spent the last 45 minutes working on the first 10 bars of this Vinnie song. I doubt that I would have gotten it in 3 hours without the transcription. (Especially bar 9! 32nd notes phrased in 5's. Sick!!!)

Vinnie's command of time is mastery in action.

[meandhimcallitus]

Wow that website is sick
I'll start trying to attempt after I take a shower
Thanks
Btw is that your website Rick?

[Womble]

Wow that website is sick
I'll start trying to attempt after I take a shower
Thanks
Btw is that your website Rick?

May I answer, Lutz? No it's not his website, and he's not called Rick. As you probably just worked out :)

[Jeff Almeyda]

May I answer, Lutz? No it's not his website, and he's not called Rick. As you probably just worked out :)


I knew it was my man Lutz, I just didn't know if he wanted to be outed.

Lutz, Much respect on those trancriptions, nice work. You are a helluva player/teacher.

[SickRick]

Thanks - but the credits for the Vinnie stuff has to go to Wolfgang Schüler whose site it is.

He upped some of my stuff too, you can see it right in the news part of it. I have some of my transcriptions on there - especially the Eric Truffaz one is insane (it was insane to transcribe and its insane to play, trust me.).

Check out Wolfgangs books - great stuff in them, I have the second one and its kicking butt.

BTW - sorry for the weird name thing - Sticktrick/SickRick/Lutz its all one person. But I think most people around here knew this already.

[Stitch Kaboodle]

It's hard to hear but i think Vinnie's playing the 5 groupings without the accented high hat. Just bass drum.
Great transcriptions

[somedrummer]

I know I heard Stanton Moore do something very similar to that at the show I was at recently. I asked him what it was, and he couldn't really explain it to me...

Good stuff, though.

[fusssion]

While Vinnie is un-Godly sick, and does SOOOOOOO many things that are amazing....

If you're not ready for what he's doing there in the beginning of that tune.....it sounds like a mistake and out of time.

Sometimes super fun / cool / sick stuff doesn't necessarily sound right at first....

Wierd isnt' it?

[Latin Groover]

Wow Lutz this is a great site! Thanks alot.

[secondXheartbeat]

Boy is that a sick tune if I've ever heard one!

That groove is crazy, lots of quarter note triplets and I think hemiola is the term? (for what we does when it's just the kick)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but overall that song is insane.

[meandhimcallitus]

Hahah yeah, Karizma are pretty amazing, In my opinion anything Vinnie touches turns gold...
I suggest you pick up Karizma "Document" its a live cd thats just mind blowing

[filmfan]

This appears to be quite an old thread and I'm not sure if anyone is interested, but I've found that the "easiest" way to play the fast 32nd note five groupings (if anything Vinnie plays could ever be described as easy) is to use a series of continuous stroke rolls with the bass drum accents on the single strokes... if that make sense. The sticking for the mind bending part would therefore be, one seven stroke roll (first bass drum accent on the first double stroke, second on the single) followed by three five strke rolls with the bass accent on each single, like so : RRLLRRLRRLLRLLRRLRRLLR -
B B B B B - (These rolls are played as continuous 32nd notes).
There are now two more 32nd notes (played LL) followed by two 16th notes, the first being a single right hand stroke on the high hat, and the second being the final bass drum accent. The last stroke is the fourth crotchet of bar 9, left hand coming down on snare and right hand on high hat... and that's all there is to it!
So... the full pattern is: RRLL RRLRRLLRLLRRLRRLLRLL R R
B B B B B B S
(end of (16s) (4th crotchet)
bar 8) (---------------------bar 9 ------------------------)
I hope this makes sense, it's the best way I can explain it.

[aydee]

Awesome track...yeah, Vinnie is very naughty in the opening bars... is this Michael Landau on guitar?

[filmfan]

Sorry about the previous message - I had everything lined up, then when I posted it, all the positions changed and threw everything off.
Explanation the same - sticking is:

RRLL RRLRRLLRLLRRLRRLLRLL R B Snare+high hat

A seven stroke roll - The first 4 strokes of this are the last notes of bar 8, bass drum on first stroke - Bar 9 = last three strokes of the seven stroke roll, with bass accent on the single left hand stroke - then we've got a series of three five stroke rolls with the bass drum on each single. - then we've got two more 32nd notes played with the left hand - Finally, the last three notes of the pattern are the two sixteenth notes (first on high hat with the right hand, second on bass) and the final stoke is the last quarter note of bar 9 on snare and high hat)
It's a tough pattern to explain but, if your stroke rolls are good, it doesn't take too long to learn it.
I sincerely hope this makes sense.

[filmfan]

Just to clarify (hopefully) here's what I tried to do in my first post:

RRLL--RRLRRLLRLLRRLRRLLRLL---R--------R
B------------B--------B--------B-------B----------B-----Snare
(------------------32nd notes---------------)( 16's ) (final crotchet)
( end )(-----------------------bar 9-------------------------)
( of 8 )

I know this isn't correct notation but it's the best I could do.

[razor 131001]

i'm a new drummer and i ask something someone is transcribing the vinnie colaiuta solo in this music.....