Playing Gadd Solo

[finnhiggins]

its called disagreeing, being a bad sport is completly different in my opinion. it seems our meanings are different.

Disagreeing is one thing. Disagreeing with the judges or referee is another, that's called being a bad sport.

While I'm hardly the judge or ref around here I think you'll find most of the points I've made here have been pretty unanimously supported by Sticktrick, Stu, Yamaha_Drummer and numerous other really great players in this thread. Plus Matt Smith, who's our resident celebrity of the moment and not far off your age. Quite simply, this stuff you're ignoring is REALITY, and ignoring the reality of your own performance in favour of argument is called being a bad sport.

[Tuxido]

i tought id try to make this thread happier with one of my favorite movies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVdFVtoGl98

the stop at 5:28 :O

[finnhiggins]

i tought id try to make this thread happier with one of my favorite movies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVdFVtoGl98

the stop at 5:28 :O

Cool.

On a hilarious note...Does anybody else get one of Class A's "Steve Gadd" videos linked as a "Related video" to this one? With just shy of 7,000 views?

What does 7,000 people laughing in unison sound like?

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

Cool.

On a hilarious note...Does anybody else get one of Class A's "Steve Gadd" videos linked as a "Related video" to this one? With just shy of 7,000 views?

What does 7,000 people laughing in unison sound like?

Watch some Bill Bailey videos, you'll get some idea. Hehehe.

[mattsmith]

Alright, I beat Stu ;)

820 consistently achievable here in trad grip, about 805 in matched. My flatmate's drum shop has one, so I had a play.

But I honestly don't think a drumometer or WFD would be good for our man Class A here. Why? Because he'd fake it out. I've seen people with no technique whatsoever going at those things mashing like crazy and getting scores of 960+.

960 with bad technique is not humanly possible, unless you were so shallow that you just allowed the sensor to double trigger and...

never mind.

[Class A Drummer]

960 with bad technique is not humanly possible, unless you were so shallow that you just allowed the sensor to double trigger and...

never mind.
whats that mean? does it count 2 for every 1 hit?

[Class A Drummer]

o btw mfb, you never answered my question. look at post 247.

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

o btw mfb, you never answered my question. look at post 247.

Actually I did. Read my posts again.

I could write a book on your arrogance, it's just beyond comprehension.

[Class A Drummer]

explain to me then. you said i was being arrogant again. i said i had no idea how high my numbers would go on a drumometer. you called me arrogant for that post. explain.

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

I wasn't even calling you arrogant for that post. I was calling you arrogant full stop. I know for one I'm not the only person saying it. Do you really want me to waste my precious time going over all of your one thousand and something useless posts and extracting arrogant statements?

EDIT: Here's a good one that I found, and still find, highly amusing.

Are you kidding me? do you know anything about playing drums? im not just single stroking, im doing incredibly hard gohst notes, difficult samba beats, the 2 handed cross over which is one of the most difficult things to do, and much others. Think before you post.

Pure arrogance in a bottle.

[franklinj]

MFB- too funny man. I love the word asshat.

I need to do that 90 minute thing soon : )

[pdp 9091]

You're not the only one whose seen a positive aspect of this thread too. I've gone right back to basics on the back of this thread.


Same here...back to the good old paradiddles and keeping good time aspects of rudiments while playing single and double strokes

[finnhiggins]

Same here...back to the good old paradiddles and keeping good time aspects of rudiments while playing single and double strokes

Funny enough, in a fit of eating my own dogfood, me too.

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

I didn't know superheroes got hungry, Finn.

[Backwards Marathon]

lol will this thread ever end?!??!?!?!?!

[mattsmith]

Honestly man, and I mean this, nobody would have said anything to you in the first place, were we all not tryin' to see you become a better musician. The first hundred or so posts were pinpoint explainations that were dead on. In fact, there were some great players here /not me/ giving you the equivalent of free lessons. You were poked, prodded, you name it. It was a really thorough examination.

Then you reacted foolishly about it...acted like we were jerking you around, not understanding your vision etc...Only then did it turn into the farce we have witnessed for the last three to four pages.

My grandfather also shares that if you were to question your bandleader the same way you question us, you would be a very unemployed drummer. And don't tell us you wouldn't do that. Unfortunately, it's your nature.

When I started coming around here several months ago, the first video I viewed was yours. At that time, I said to myself "not so bad for a 14 year old." Yeah there was alot of room for improvement. but there was a shard of talent there.

Now all these months later, there has been regression, because that ego that you say you don't have has blinded you like a bat. But look, you're a super young guy. You could start from scratch and still have plenty of time. As a 16 year old to a 15 year old, I just wonder what's your hurry? IMO, the only person you can compete with in this business is yourself, and guys our age have nothin' but time.

[rendezvous_drummer]

This thread has also helped me out alot aswell. I now know how not to act and how not to be so conceited, it has made me work on the practice pad ALOT, all account on class a's ignorance......damn eejit! And why would you post that video of steve gadd! Now class a is going to record himself playing that part and say that it's awesome and that steve gadd didn't do it properly haha. it's a very cool video though.

[aahznightsky]

Trust me ... being one of the "top 3" in the state in your age group means nothing ... I made it to this summer camp by auditioning ... only 3 percussionists out of all the schools in my state can make it, and I did. And I knew for sure that these two other guys could not have been the top players that age in my state. They were just the ones that happened to audition (I bet we were the only three that did audition, I swear). It means nothing.

[Paradiddle my snizzle]

oh sorry, what am i doing in this thread?? I guess i just wanted bump it - it's not getting enough attention!!!!!

[IDDrummer]

Hey, this thread reminds me of a song - anybody who watched "Sheri Lewis and Lambchop" as a kid (or has a kid now) will remember it:

This is the thread that never ends
Yes it goes on and on my friends
Somebody started posting here, not knowing what it was
And they'll continue posting here forever just because

This is the thread that never ends
Yes it goes on and on my friends
Somebody started posting here, not knowing what it was
And they'll continue posting here forever just because

This is the thread that never ends
Yes it goes on and on my friends
Somebody started posting here, not knowing what it was
And they'll continue posting here forever just because

This is the thread that never ends
Yes it goes on and on my friends
Somebody started posting here, not knowing what it was
And they'll continue posting here forever just because

This is the thread that never ends...

[pdp 9091]

hahaha...nice song...heres the remix

This is the thread that never ends
Yes it goes on and on my friends
Class A, started posting videos, not knowing that they were bad
And he'll continue defending them forever just because


This is the thread that never ends
Yes it goes on and on my friends
Class A, started posting videos, not knowing that they were bad
And he'll continue defending them forever just because


This is the thread that never ends.....

[Drummerboy3940]

hahaha...nice song...heres the remix

This is the thread that never ends
Yes it goes on and on my friends
Class A, started posting videos, not knowing that they were bad
And he'll continue defending them forever just because


This is the thread that never ends
Yes it goes on and on my friends
Class A, started posting videos, not knowing that they were bad
And he'll continue defending them forever just because


This is the thread that never ends.....


Hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[beatsMcGee]

just lock the thread.. its going no where.

[aahznightsky]

Dude! I don't really have anything to add to this thread, everything has been said enough. Except for this...


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(( )_crayola_(( > !

[pdp 9091]

just lock the thread.. its going no where.


it will probably start up with another discussion or arguement or something....most of europe is sleeping right now so this is drummerworld's quite time

[cdawg_2010]

it will probably start up with another discussion or arguement or something....most of europe is sleeping right now so this is drummerworld's quite time
yup it will never end. i think the point has gotten across to everyone.lol

[mattsmith]

You know I was thinking that since Class As threads always get countless thousands of hits, we could use the traffic to showcase some other threads that were on display during Class As other thread related unfortunate episodes, but were overlooked during the ensuing chaos.

First here is KC Drummers fine jazz effort (less than 100 hits)
http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16274

Here's Britt's latest always solid playing. (459 hits)
http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15285

Here is my recording of Coltrane's Expression with Romanian saxophonist Cristian Soleanu (570 hits)
http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12858&highlight=matt+smith+avant+garde

Here is the Brandon Godette video. Yeah, I know it was incredibly popular popular here. But it still recieved several hundred hits less than the usual Class A vid. So you might have missed it.
http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12123

Finally here is Drummer Karl's appropriately titled a little groove...kinda Gaddish (a whopping 326 hits/played convicingly and with humble commentary).
http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15784

Enjoy!

[tomgrosset]

You know I was thinking that since Class As threads always get countless thousands of hits, we could use the traffic to showcase some other threads that were on display during Class As other thread related unfortunate episodes, but were overlooked during the ensuing chaos.

First here is KC Drummers fine jazz effort (less than 100 hits)
http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16274

Here's Britt's latest always solid playing. (459 hits)
http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15285

Here is my recording of Coltrane's Expression with Romanian saxophonist Cristian Soleanu (570 hits)
http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12858&highlight=matt+smith+avant+garde

Here is the Brandon Godette video. Yeah, I know it was incredibly popular popular here. But it still recieved several hundred hits less than the usual Class A vid. So you might have missed it.
http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12123

Finally here is Drummer Karl's appropriately titled a little groove...kinda Gaddish (a whopping 326 hits/played convicingly and with humble commentary).
http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15784

Enjoy!

Yeah I agree with this. I've heard all of these musicians play and they deserve to be recognized.

KC plays with great energy and is a professional jazz musician.
Britt has a very genuine style of playing. He has a good command over his instrument.
Matt is very impressive with his speed and control and has a very fluent style of playing.
Brandon is very talented for his age and he has a good sense of rhythm and will be an awesome drummer if he keeps it up.
And Karl displays a musical feeling through his playing very well. He's a very talented player for his age as well.

By the way, you forgot about Andrew, even though he's 19, he's a very good player and I suspect he was very talented when he was was a few years younger like these other musicians. Also, Andrew was accepted by a number of very good music schools and he chose to go to McGill. Good luck man and I know you'll fit in!
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?p=190877#post190877 (about 800 hits)

Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing more from these great musicians. Keep it up!

[Sticktrick]

o btw mfb, you never answered my question. look at post 247.

o btw class a, you never answered my question. look at post ??? (don't want to look it up right now, but it was on page 7 I guess)

And make it more than 20 letters. You seem to be a guy just trying to get a high postcount.

[brittc89]

I personally think you would "fail" attempting this solo also. I hear you tell me that i suck, but i belive you would do much worse than i did on this solo.


-dont be a jerk.
How have you heard this guy play? Have you? If not, than your personal opinion is absolutely useless and you should not have even posted that! You are so cocky about your playing, its like a pathological liar saying, I am such a badass, everyone loves the way I sound. That was just not very good. Period. This thread sucks and I hope it gets locked soon!
O, btw Matt, thanks for puttin me on your highlight reel :)
Aw man, I started a 9th page?! Son of a b***!

[mattsmith]

O, btw Matt, thanks for puttin me on your highlight reel :)

Hey no problem man. I thought it could be like lawyers passing around their business cards at a car wreck. And love him or hate him, youv'e got to admit that Class A sure knows how to draw a crowd.

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You're a damn child Class A.

[Stu_Strib]

Trust me ... being one of the "top 3" in the state in your age group means nothing ... .

Well this is one I disagree with, unless of course he is making up the "top 3 in state" claim. It meant a scholarship to a major University for me ;-)

The only reason I say this is because I finished 2nd and 3rd in orchestral snare and mallet percussion in my relatively small state (Oregon a LONG time ago), and the talent level there (all instruments, not just drums) was incredibly good. So top 3 in a bigger state would be an amazing accomplisment.

Dammit, why am I still posting in this thread?

[Drummer Karl]

And Karl displays a musical feeling through his playing very well. He's a very talented player for his age as well.

hehe, thanks, by the way, here is my thread ;-)

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7564

and my newest recording of it (~ 3 month old):

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12251

....Karl :-)

[mattsmith]

By the way, you forgot about Andrew, even though he's 19, he's a very good player and I suspect he was very talented when he was was a few years younger like these other musicians. But yea, Andrew was accepted by a number of very good music schools and he chose to go to McGill. Good luck man and I know you'll fit in!
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?p=190877#post190877 (about 800 hits)

Geez Tom, you're right. Andrew has a great thread. Sorry Andrew.

Now, isn't this great? Everybody's neglected threads are gettin' views.

BTW, the Godette mention was just a gag, although he still doesn't pull in the hits of one of these disaster threads.

[aahznightsky]

Well this is one I disagree with, unless of course he is making up the "top 3 in state" claim. It meant a scholarship to a major University for me ;-)

The only reason I say this is because I finished 2nd and 3rd in orchestral snare and mallet percussion in my relatively small state (Oregon a LONG time ago), and the talent level there (all instruments, not just drums) was incredibly good. So top 3 in a bigger state would be an amazing accomplisment.

Dammit, why am I still posting in this thread?

Yeah I hear you Stu. It might be possibly because we're talking about different age groups. Class A is probably 13 or so? And my experience with this thing was at 16. Of course it could be just my state isn't too hot on drummers, lol.

[Backwards Marathon]

k the bottom line is the kid tries to play hard and intricate pieces way higher above his playing level, he does horribly at it, what the kid needs is to play at his own experience level and not try to take on Gadd, or say that Gadd was off tempo lmao.

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

Yeah I hear you Stu. It might be possibly because we're talking about different age groups. Class A is probably 13 or so? And my experience with this thing was at 16. Of course it could be just my state isn't too hot on drummers, lol.

Class A is 15. A pretty bad 15 at that. I know my 15 wasn't as self righteous and arrogant as his.

[Drummer Karl]

Class A is 15. A pretty bad 15 at that. I know my 15 wasn't as self righteous and arrogant as his.

OHHHH!!!! If I have been sooo arrogant, I really would have killed myself!!! AWFUL! AWFUL!

EDIT!: Sorry if you missunderstand, I didn`t mean you mediocre, I meant Class A with this arrogance!

Karl

[franklinj]

Hell, im only 16.. .

[timebandit]

man!!!! you guys are making me feel old For a bunch of young ladds, you guys seem pretty well edumakaytid..!!

[rendezvous_drummer]

I hear ye guys. I'm 18 and with my level of playing, i won't touch Gadd material except for 50 ways until i learn everything up to that point. Unfortunately, some people don't feel the need to take the necessary steps before attempting something way beyond their ability....it's not a difficult concept to comprehend!

[Tuxido]

I think alot of members here are in the [15-17[ age group, including me.

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I'm 17. But wow, if Class A is indeed 15, his maturity level is pretty premature.

[TopCat]

I'm 17. But wow, if Class A is indeed 15, his maturity level is pretty premature.
I bet he hasnt got any pubes lol.

I'm so more mature than you.

[rendezvous_drummer]

I bet he hasnt got any pubes lol.

I'm so more mature than you.
HAHA!!! totally reminded me of waynes world when garth says
"you didn't tell them about my pubes did you?"

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

I bet he hasnt got any pubes lol.

I'm so more mature than you.

Your Mum Tom, your Mum.

[chops4kicks]

I have had very many good laughs looking at this thread.

I feel like i know you all that much more after reading the whole thread. TopCat your "get off the internet posts" took theee cake for the thread though haha.

many others great posts.

Class D Drummer take all criticism given to you and take it like a real 15 year old not like some 11 year old whose dad bought him a drumset.
Take into consideration these excercises.
RLRL
RRLL
(if your up for it) RLRRLRLL
(and once your confindent)
x x x x
.... x had to put periods to keep the snare note where its supposed to be
o
(Grow some balls and stop crying about people telling you that you suck)

[Tuxido]

I have had very many good laughs looking at this thread.

I feel like i know you all that much more after reading the whole thread. TopCat your "get off the internet posts" took theee cake for the thread though haha.

many others great posts.

Class D Drummer take all criticism given to you and take it like a real 15 year old not like some 11 year old whose dad bought him a drumset.
Take into consideration these excercises.
RLRL
RRLL
(if your up for it) RLRRLRLL
(and once your confindent)
x x x x
x
o
(Grow some balls and stop crying about people telling you that you suck)

hahaha, What is that sticking ?!??!

[cdawg_2010]

I bet he hasnt got any pubes lol.

I'm so more mature than you.
you always crack me up. and btw im 14, incase anyone cares

[fatedrummer]

hahaha...nice song...heres the remix

This is the thread that never ends
Yes it goes on and on my friends
Class A, started posting videos, not knowing that they were bad
And he'll continue defending them forever just because


This is the thread that never ends
Yes it goes on and on my friends
Class A, started posting videos, not knowing that they were bad
And he'll continue defending them forever just because


This is the thread that never ends.....


right on pdp it is hilarious

[fatedrummer]

this thread is getting almost as much attention as Class A Needs on a daily basis when hes drumming

owned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chip]

I can play these sort of things if I really, really listen to it, and practice it slowly (in parts) for half an hour or so. I cringe when I see people saying "I don't want to touch Gadd's stuff"...... Why not? It's not like if you fail Nelson Muntz will pop up and repeat his imfamous "ha ha" at your window. I didn't think I could, but now I can play the first few bars and snippets from the "simple paradiddle groove" video. My advice is just to try it, but remember to take it slowand don't rush anything...... like a certain person that this thread is about...

[kacperivo]

good post, and i agree with alot of it, but some i dont. I dont think i would be able to take much more then a baby or a small step back because after playing this kind of stuff, alot would seem boring. I took a look at some of the books they had at the local gc. Found some made by great drummers i know of and started picking random things out from them. Alot of it was so easy and got me bored quickly. I am searching for one that you are describing along with in the thread.

if you want to achieve something in drumming, at first you should realise one fundamental thing. you can't become more than an average drummer without hard work! and it means that some excercises WILL be boring, and that's natural, get used to it. you say that you take a book and pick up random things out of it? so what do you think you're going to get this way? i mean, damn it, would you take, for example, agatha christie's book and read random pages? "damn, that's boring, who'd like to read it anyway?" you'd think. is it logical? some people thought for many hours how to organize their book, to make it as accessible and 'user-friendly' as possible for some reason! i've two books about drumming and i still learn from them.

i know i'm being a bit harsh here, but man, realise that excercise and playing for fun are two different things. at first, get technique, start to play in time, and learn to play this 'boring stuff'. you will have fun from drumming, that's for sure, but first there's some work to do. nothing's for free.

[kacperivo]

wrong. im always improving.

generally, in life, when you do something for a long time, you improve. that's true. but let's take swimming. you can swim for 10 years and not reach the level of a guy who swims for a year but he got the needed lessons about the technique. same with drums. surely there are great drummers who reached a really high level learning to play by themselves, without any help of books teachers n stuff. but there were also people like musashi... i mean that such persons are born 1 at 100, or more years or so. you should definitely start to learn technique, because without it you won't improve, and will hurt yourself.

[fourstringdrums]

if i have time, i will make of video of my on my pad, i will do a solo that i used to get to be the head guy for snare drum. also, im not as bad a player as you would think because in an audition i did for blast from the past, idid not make it. But, i was 2 points away from making it. I did not think i would make it, but i did better than i though. Considering i was the youngest trying out, and one of the 3 people who made it is considered to be the best drummer in the state within the high school age group. And yes, i know that 98% of you do not belive that story.

Of course we're not going to believe that. Why? Because how you look when you play on the kit speaks volumes. If you have sloppy technique on the kit on the snare, why would we think otherwise of you on a pad or snare? As I said before your technique should be the same no matter what. It's like a guitar player playing great standing up but as soon as he sits down he gets sloppy. There's no excuse for it.

[pdp 9091]

As I said before your technique should be the same no matter what. It's like a guitar player playing great standing up but as soon as he sits down he gets sloppy. There's no excuse for it.

or as a guitar player playing an electric great but as soon has he goes to acoustic he cant play.

[fatedrummer]

read my signature. you dont get to be drumline captain and center snare if you arent good.


ya drummerboy you got him good, hahaha,

nice work being captain. what does NRCA stand for?

you deserve being the class A drummer (the ranking) (not the kid)

fatedrummer

[jonescrusher]

I can play these sort of things if I really, really listen to it, and practice it slowly (in parts) for half an hour or so. I cringe when I see people saying "I don't want to touch Gadd's stuff"...... Why not? It's not like if you fail Nelson Muntz will pop up and repeat his imfamous "ha ha" at your window. I didn't think I could, but now I can play the first few bars and snippets from the "simple paradiddle groove" video. My advice is just to try it, but remember to take it slowand don't rush anything...... like a certain person that this thread is about...


Chip - it's not that people are somehow afraid to even attempt Gadd's stuff, it's more that some of us have a realisation that to really capture the essence of how Gadd plays these things takes considerable time, musicality, talent and understanding. Yes, on paper you may be able to play the notes with correct value, but are the dynamics and feel there? This is the point that Class A consistently fails to grasp, and perhaps understandalby; it takes years of playing in order for your ears to able to effectively evaluate what goes into making something sound good. I think Class A simply doesn't have the aural perception to be able to hear that he sounds bad, and, moreover, nothing like Gadd.

[fatedrummer]

Lets just say this Class A.

Rudiments are boring, why?
There rythmic sticking patterns.

I play alto saxophone and clarinet and I'm really good at both.

I too have a boring time playing scales. Knowing your scales is very important AND boring. So should I just stop playing scales?? NO! Even proffessionals play hours of scales a day.

Scales and rudiments are an excersize you can't surpass. Yes there easy if you play them alot, but they are COMPLETLY NECCESSARY TO PRACTICE EVERYDAY, SO YOU CAN IMPROVE MORE AND MORE!

[Class A Drummer]

Lets just say this Class A.

Rudiments are boring, why?
There rythmic sticking patterns.

I play alto saxophone and clarinet and I'm really good at both.

I too have a boring time playing scales. Knowing your scales is very important AND boring. So should I just stop playing scales?? NO! Even proffessionals play hours of scales a day.

Scales and rudiments are an excersize you can't surpass. Yes there easy if you play them alot, but they are COMPLETLY NECCESSARY TO PRACTICE EVERYDAY, SO YOU CAN IMPROVE MORE AND MORE!
not to start another argument, but i do play rudiments. Alot more than you think. I just dont play boring grooves on the drumset that i dont belive will help me (playing harder stuff will help me more then simple 4/4 rock patterns w/o and syncapation (sp?) and stuff to make it sound cool and complicated.) Its like skiing, if you keep doing boring and unchallenging trails, you will eventually hit a point where you wont get any better. Thats why you might want to try harder stuff instead of more easy stuff.

[pdp 9091]

not to start another argument, but i do play rudiments. Alot more than you think. I just dont play boring grooves on the drumset that i dont belive will help me (playing harder stuff will help me more then simple 4/4 rock patterns w/o and syncapation (sp?) and stuff to make it sound cool and complicated.) Its like skiing, if you keep doing boring and unchallenging trails, you will eventually hit a point where you wont get any better. Thats why you might want to try harder stuff instead of more easy stuff.


O MY GOD YOU'RE HELPLESS CLASS A....I CAN STAND YOUR LACK OF INTELLIGENCE WHEN IT COMES TO PRACTICING...."OHHH BOO HOO ....I DONT LIKE TO PRACTICE THE BORING STUFF...I ONLY LIKE TO PLAY HARD STUFF"....WELL GUESS WHAT. you CANT play the hard stuff.....proof is this video that millions of people on here are trying to tell you wasnt good at all because you dont practice the BORING stuff....grow up

[YAMAHA DRUMMER]

I think that Class A Drummer should see a doctor....

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

not to start another argument, but i do play rudiments. Alot more than you think. I just dont play boring grooves on the drumset that i dont belive will help me (playing harder stuff will help me more then simple 4/4 rock patterns w/o and syncapation (sp?) and stuff to make it sound cool and complicated.) Its like skiing, if you keep doing boring and unchallenging trails, you will eventually hit a point where you wont get any better. Thats why you might want to try harder stuff instead of more easy stuff.

And if you continue playing hard stuff, incredibly poorly (like this) then you just won't improve at all. Whatever you think. You just won't. Between us, the posters on this thread have probably around one hundred years' drumming experience. And they're all saying the same thing.

What the hell are you? A total freakin' nut case? Because I'd commit you right now!

Try to play a guitar solo without learning some scales first. Unless you're Dimebag, (which I would quite easily say, you're not exactly the Dimebag of the drums) then you're just not going to get anywhere. You're going to play a few random notes that mean nothing to anybody. For God's sake. It's the same. This is like white noise coming from the TV that means absoutely SFA to the rest of us, however you hear in that little head of yours.

[chops4kicks]

not to start another argument, but i do play rudiments. Alot more than you think. I just dont play boring grooves on the drumset that i dont belive will help me (playing harder stuff will help me more then simple 4/4 rock patterns w/o and syncapation (sp?) and stuff to make it sound cool and complicated.) Its like skiing, if you keep doing boring and unchallenging trails, you will eventually hit a point where you wont get any better. Thats why you might want to try harder stuff instead of more easy stuff.
since when do you tell us what drumming is like??? yeah but if you want to try that skiing logic you think seems to work for your "skills," as you keep on going down farther on the unchallenging but helpful runs you find new and more challenging runs, but i dont think your ready for black diamond runs yet, probably not even intermediate runs. haha also thats probably why you fell 2 to 3 times a minute 1800 times last time you went snowboarding you were going down black diamond and intermediate runs when you should have stuck to the bunny slopes man

damn 10 friggen pages im sorry

[franklinj]

not to start another argument, but i do play rudiments. Alot more than you think. I just dont play boring grooves on the drumset that i dont belive will help me (playing harder stuff will help me more then simple 4/4 rock patterns w/o and syncapation (sp?) and stuff to make it sound cool and complicated.) Its like skiing, if you keep doing boring and unchallenging trails, you will eventually hit a point where you wont get any better. Thats why you might want to try harder stuff instead of more easy stuff.

Lets just say you just picked up the skis You think youve been riding for a while, getting better, and then you decide to try a black diamond course. On the course, you fall, roll down the mountain, and seriously get hurt.

Thats basically what you did here. Instead of accepting OBVIOUS defeat, you say the mountain "shifted", therefore making your run acceptable. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO! It was NOT GOOD!

[Paradiddle my snizzle]

Maybe at the end Class A will say:














I WAS KIDDING!!!!

[Chip]

Damn, you beat me to the black diamond thing. Reminds me of when we went skiing... A few of my mates attempted a black diamond right after they could just go down a green run... Guess what ensued? It was much like the skiing version of that video.

Class "A"... I don't think there is much hope for you. If you can't accept that you have bad technique, you are not going to get good. Sayin to people that you are so great and that crossovers are one the hardest things you can do...... forget it. I give up, I'm 15, I can still accept that I must work over all my stuff slowly, and I'm not afraid of doing very easy (yes, it's easy [straight 4 and 8 beats], but not doing it is detrimental, but I definantly don't consider myself above them, and I certainly have room to improve in them), boring stuff. If this many people say that I'm crap, and must do these things..... I WOULD DO IT!

Seriously, just.... either learn and get better, or don't post those videos. Stop trying Gadd... yes it's ok to attempt it every now and again, but religiously doing it just because everything else is "boring" is stupid. You seem like you just want to impress people, but it's obviously not impressing anyone but yourself.


I just dont play boring grooves on the drumset that i dont belive will help me
You know why?! Because you haven't tried it! If you did it, you would know how much it would help.

(playing harder stuff will help me more then simple 4/4 rock patterns w/o and syncapation (sp?) and stuff to make it sound cool and complicated.)
This proves my point. No, it won't help you. You don't even have the basics down, how the friggin' hell is syncopation going to help you? Because it sounds cool?! Complicated? It would sound complicated if it was even, in time, performed with good technique & not done by you it would seem. Honestly, I think that "solo" sounded a lot like a 2-year-old I heard on the kit yesterday. If that doesn't get the message across...... I have no idea when he going to wake up and hear the crappy sounds.

Edit: you say the mountain "shifted"
Maybe it would've been better if it did... a whole lot of snow on to a certain someone.

[T.L.]

not to start another argument, but i do play rudiments. Alot more than you think. I just dont play boring grooves on the drumset that i dont belive will help me (playing harder stuff will help me more then simple 4/4 rock patterns w/o and syncapation (sp?) and stuff to make it sound cool and complicated.) Its like skiing, if you keep doing boring and unchallenging trails, you will eventually hit a point where you wont get any better. Thats why you might want to try harder stuff instead of more easy stuff.


Class A,

Check out the following link of a "simple" groove:

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/SteveJordan.html

Now is that the type of "boring groove" you don't want to play? Now, explain to me how a groove like that -- despite its simplicity -- is boring.

I look forward to your response.

[rendezvous_drummer]

Class A,

Check out the following link of a "simple" groove:

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/SteveJordan.html

Now is that the type of "boring groove" you don't want to play? Now, explain to me how a groove like that -- despite its simplicity -- is boring.

I look forward to your response.
Impossible! Impossible to find that boring, that's an awesome groove, tons of fun to play.

[low-tech]

reading this thread is like watching a natural disaster, its terrible but you cant stop

[rendezvous_drummer]

it's entertainment when im bored outta my mind

[Pearlrules]

Man, you suck.

You're not a class A drummer at all.

And you only choose to take some of the advice from these other drummers... You're NOT going to improve at all if you don't get your act together buddy.
If you're not going to listen, then stop playing all together. Its pointless.

[franklinj]

it's entertainment when im bored outta my mind

I know exactly what you mean man. Im sitting here reading this thread and watching old Ren and Stimpy episodes. Im laughing my ass off in this room!

[pdp 9091]

Class A,

Check out the following link of a "simple" groove:

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/SteveJordan.html

Now is that the type of "boring groove" you don't want to play? Now, explain to me how a groove like that -- despite its simplicity -- is boring.

I look forward to your response.


You can tell that groove roots from When the Levee Breaks. Both are fun to play YET simple. Class A you just need to grow up...seriously...you do.

[LDGuy]

Class A: Why do you feel you need to emulate other drummers to be good? Look at all the drum solos by all the great artists on this site - how many are as "derivative". Your timing, well, it's technique - if you have the time and can work (preferably with a good teacher, in REAL LIFE), you can get good. However, the whole ethos creative side behind it is very important. And your not going to get anywhere by playing Gadd grooves badly. How about you let Gadd play them - he plays em just great. You stick to your own axe, dig me?

Oh and before you get back at me, I'm 15 also. And if you want to challenge me childishly, i can post a video of me playing my own stuff and you can judge me then.

[fatedrummer]

not to start another argument, but i do play rudiments. Alot more than you think. I just dont play boring grooves on the drumset that i dont belive will help me (playing harder stuff will help me more then simple 4/4 rock patterns w/o and syncapation (sp?) and stuff to make it sound cool and complicated.) Its like skiing, if you keep doing boring and unchallenging trails, you will eventually hit a point where you wont get any better. Thats why you might want to try harder stuff instead of more easy stuff.

Ok. Every "hard" groove is built off of an easy groove. Its like starting with a basic beat and adding or subtracting notes to it to make it more challenging. You have to learn to keep time. ok? playing simple beats like that will benifit you. you have to build a STRONG FOUNDATION of drumming and sticking before you move on or else YOU WILL BE MAKING RYTHM AND STICKING MISTAKES FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fourstringdrums]

How is this thread still going?

Class A, just take the advice and move on. The stubborn attitude you're displaying isn't going to get you anywhere in this instrument, any other facet of the music business, or anywhere else in life. Because I can only assume that if you won't take some meaningful advice in a hobby, you won't take it anywhere else.

[chops4kicks]

this is it right here
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16662
this is the s*** LD wins by a long shot

[Class A Drummer]

Class A,

Check out the following link of a "simple" groove:

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/SteveJordan.html

Now is that the type of "boring groove" you don't want to play? Now, explain to me how a groove like that -- despite its simplicity -- is boring.

I look forward to your response.
i dont find that one boring. Simple, but not the simple i was explaining. If you read what you quoted carefully, i think i said simple 4/4 groves w/o syncapation.

[franklinj]

Whats the point of playing something really hard and horribly when you cant even get the basics down?

[Class A Drummer]

Whats the point of playing something really hard and horribly when you cant even get the basics down?
basics as in pretty much what i dont wanna play right? thats what your talking about? (just making sure)

[franklinj]

basics as in pretty much what i dont wanna play right? thats what your talking about? (just making sure)

Yep.

Why dont you want to play them? Just because they dont have crazy stickings? Just because they dont have mad coordination?

I guarantee you, that if you got back down to the basics, and came back to this in a year or 2, you would see a TON of improvement.

[Class A Drummer]

Yep.

Why dont you want to play them? Just because they dont have crazy stickings? Just because they dont have mad coordination?

I guarantee you, that if you got back down to the basics, and came back to this in a year or 2, you would see a TON of improvement.
Ive done the basics. Belive me. After the amount of time ive been playing, its impossible to have not done the basics. (here goes a whole other argument where people break more rules about bashing.)

[franklinj]

Ive done the basics. Belive me. After the amount of time ive been playing, its impossible to have not done the basics. (here goes a whole other argument where people break more rules about bashing.)

Not really.

What do you consider, "The Basics"?

Also, how long have you been playing for?

[meandhimcallitus]

GUYS!...

just move on... as a teacher, I give my students all the information they want to know,
But I NEVER FORCE IT ON THEM, cause its their job to put the time, dedication, and discipline into drumming... NOT ME.

If Class A wants to take the informatin you guys gave him (which is loads!) to consideration then good for him. But don't jam it down his throat! In the long run
it will have ZERO effect on your playing/drumming...

ADVISE TO CLASS A: Take all these things and try to improve your drumming. Cause
playing/learning things wrong will not make them right.

Hence the phrase to wrongs don't make a right

Stay Fresh,
Chris

[Class A Drummer]

Not really.

What do you consider, "The Basics"?

Also, how long have you been playing for?
Not counting rudiments (cuz i actually do that stuff), the stuff i said before, like simple 4/4 rock beats that have no syncapation, and involve almost no skill (unless you are doing it crazy fast like in tom sawyer).

I dont know if i wanna say how long ive played because if i say ive been playing for a short amount of time like 1 or 2 years, you will say "no wonder you suck" but if i say ive been playing for like 10 years you will say "haha you suck for someone who has played that long."

Edit- there are only a few people on this site that would probably do that, and sadly you are definitly one of them.

[Chip]

there are only a few people on this site that would probably do that, and sadly you are definitly one of them.
And what does that make you? A diamond in the rough? You've been playing 8 years, have you not?

and involve almost no skill
I think your problem here is you cannot distinguish a good groove from a complex one. More is less, and less is more. You need to actualy listen to the nuances and subleties of simpler stuff, and actully try and emulate it.

Frankly I wouldn't care how long long you've been playing, your arrogance suggests to me that it will greatly hinder you becoming good musician. If you won't play a simple 4/4 groove..... Not everything has to be complicated, I don't know why you think you can't just play something simple. I find it's much better to play a lot of simple stuff, and do complicated things here and there. If one plays too much complicated stuff, it is hard to listen to. I love Mastodon, though, Brann Dailor is one of the only drummers I have heard that can play omplicated, yet is very listenable.

you will say "haha you suck for someone who has played that long."

No, they would probably say "Haha, you aren't that great for 10 years, but that is probably owing to the fact that you won't go over your technique and play simpler stuff".

[LDGuy]

Have you tried running a click up with that video? Or even, tried counting or tapping your foot. There are crazy bits, you play like a bar of 11 at one point.

[max999]

Listen to this. Wouldnt it be awesome if we could somehow get Steve Gadd to come on this forum and tell this guy how to play, cleary thats not gonna happen but really that just might work. Shamless critisizm sure hasnt, maybee if he heard it from the man himself he will understand!

[pdp 9091]

Ya Gadd would set the kid straight

[LiquidSoul546]

Okay so this kid has a major beef with "the basics". If they are boring, seriously maybe drums aren't for you? Like Bernhard said. I find playing the basics very fun, just improve you feel man. Oh well that's my 2 cents on this guy.
peace

[Class A Drummer]

Have you tried running a click up with that video? Or even, tried counting or tapping your foot. There are crazy bits, you play like a bar of 11 at one point.
What? i dont understand.

[gringo998]

i dont know, but ive been reading these posts, and im understanding of your playing, sure its not great, but we were all bad once, its just your attitude towards these attempts to help you that discust me.

dont post it if you dont want help man, and it looks like you dont.

[franklinj]

i dont know, but ive been reading these posts, and im understanding of your playing, sure its not great, but we were all bad once, its just your attitude towards these attempts to help you that discust me.

dont post it if you dont want help man, and it looks like you dont.

EXACTLY!!!!

.

[Stu_Strib]

What? i dont understand.

Oh lordie...this says volumes about why your playing isn't good. You don't understand the basic premise that you should turn your click up loud enough to hear it over your playing so you can hear how awful you really are?

Well, there's a start to understanding why you are so bad.

Ive done the basics. Belive me. After the amount of time ive been playing, its impossible to have not done the basics. (here goes a whole other argument where people break more rules about bashing.)

I still claim you can't even play running 16th notes hand-to-hand at 100 bpm evenly. Now THAT is pretty basic and I bet you can't do it.

I bet you can't even capture 1/10th of the nuance of that Steve Jordan groove either. You probably can't even play the right notes in time.

So you can pretty much forget trying to convince us that you've got the basics down. Based on your posts and your videos thus far, you have a lot more proving to do before anyone can take you seriously.

[kacperivo]

Class A,

Check out the following link of a "simple" groove:

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/SteveJordan.html

Now is that the type of "boring groove" you don't want to play? Now, explain to me how a groove like that -- despite its simplicity -- is boring.

I look forward to your response.

what a boring beat. (lemme quote, lemme quote!) "you can see that steves time is also not steady". class a would say? :P

young drummers... LISTEN TO STEVE JORDAN !

[kacperivo]

Ive done the basics. Belive me.
i don't believe you. i consider myself a drummer after 4 years of playing, but i make many many many mistakes, yet i'm aware of it. but man, after one and a half year of playing (once a week) i already got the basics (i'm not boasting here, because after 1,5 year of playing it's nothing unusual to get the basics).

and two more things. people here are harsh for you because criticising you is like hitting the wall with beans - you can do this, but what for? TAKE THE ADVICES PEOPLE GIVE YOU AND START PRACTICING INSTEAD OF QUARRELING ABOUT HOW GREAT YOU ARE, BECAUSE YOU AREN'T !!! with this attitude you won't ever become a drummer man. it's about time to change it.

second thing - this thread is way too long. can't disagree that posting here is quite fun, but come on, what had to been told, was told. howgh!

[Drummer Karl]

Ive done the basics. Belive me.


BAAAAAZINnnnnG.........that is definitly not true:

Hey, you are just 15 like me, you said you HAVE DONE the basics already.......1. You never have done basics and 2. If you have done some basics, you would not have been finished yet! You have to do the drum basics always.

damn...I give it up...

Karl

[Latin Groover]

Hmmm, ive stayed out of this stupid thread, and for smart reason too, but i thought i should just say what i think. If you really have been playing 8 years (which for this ill asume, but it doesnt matter how long, uve been playing) then you must've started pretty young, so you may, (pretty sure) u must've had bad habits with your technique, but thats fine you where young, but now its time to grow up and accept your technique isnt too good. You say these 'basic" things are too boring. Do you have a pad? If you do... A practicepads main purpose is so you can practice rudiments and stick control these 'basic things'. U say that u just got a metronome, if u dont have a pad, get a real feel pad on the weekend. Try this for one week, please you must at least try what im telling you. For one, i garaunntee you u will notice improvement in the week, Two you will probably feel your hands move alot more fluently and you will feel better the way you play on your kit, every thing will flow alot better, basically you will just feel better. Three people will (maybe) respect you...more than they do now anyway, which i can tell you now is zip, but thats ok, cause im sure ud rather be a good drummer than care wat ppl think about u on this forum. So,

Just TRY this for one week, and do it properly, not half assed cause ud rather rell me that wat i told u has failed, cause if you do this, it wont fail. So as far as i can tell u dont own a copy of Ted Reeds book, which isnt really ok, (U NEED THIS BOOK, im not saying practice it madly, cause i know u wont, but after u have done this one week program (man i soundlike Jarred Falk) even if u just do 10mins of it a day, which isnt enough for anyone(eg Andrew does (theduke) he uses this book xtremly well, and he is damb good, so ur never too good for this book) u will notice improment, but u can just ask for some pages photocopied from ur teacher until that. If he doesnt habe one ask him to borrow it, or go to officeworks or sumthin.

So get the pad and cause i know u think ur way to good for this stuff, maybe just start out for one hour of this a night. U dont hav to stick to this like a bible, what would be great is if you expand on this, to cum up with ur own ideas.
Sumthing like these.(And yes i do these as well.)

Remember with metronome now u have one.

Playing sixteenth notes w/ no accents, just straight 16ths, i do straight for around 1min then i start to add sum accents, {this is actually part of my warm-up} But u dont accent yet, not for the 1st nights. Try really hard to concentrate really hard on getting each hand strokes sounding the same, the main thin with this is to do it as quite(spl, im not that good, lol i admit that) as posiable. Remember you can always get softer(ill just say softer, easier to spell) U say that ur doing jazz now? or u did. wateva. U CAN ALWAYS GET SOFTER!!! I do this as a warm-up everyday, and yes i can play soft fairly well i think because i practice getting softer, also even after 2 nights(seriously ull feel it after 5mins) you'll feel alot more in CONTROL at lower volumes, and control is what we want here. So just straigh 16ths for 3-5mins with Metronome. You may notice that to play really soft you'll automatically start to use a bit more arm and less wrist( im mean ur arm and wrist will straighten out and ull be getting ur movement from ur elbows, thats ok but try to use all wrist, for the 1sr few nights let urself go witha bit of arm movement, but really u want it to be the wrists doing this, cause if you can play nice smooth 16ths really soft using all wrist youll be well on your way to be tter technique and more musical. O h and also do this excercise at 110bmp not 130 110!!!

When u do this on the pad at night it is very easy to get loud, i mean that it wont sound loud to you but wen u do it on a drum it will be loud, by the end of the week if you do practice this, u should be able to do this on your snare at 12 midnight and none no it, providing the kits not in ur room next to someone, i mean like in a garage.

So other thigs to do are things like, yes...rudiments. Eg parradiddle. Dont think of the accents as accents play them as normal notes or maybe even softer, and really work on those subdivisions being whisper quite...um whisper soft.( for all i know i may be spelling it right?) Get them really soft, really soft same deal as the 16th excercise as quite as u can, and rember try all wrists, but its ok wen starting this excercise to use a little bit of arm(wen on the pad u should hardly even be able to hear the notes ur playing. Apply this principle to all rudiments, but dont do flam rudiments yet, just single stroke ones like parradiddles, dbl parradiddles and triple, parradiddlediddle, five stroke roll, but remeber all at 100 or 110 we want soft and slow and soft, did i mention soft. Also try coming up with ur own sticking ex, but dont do big ones, just ones with four-6 notes in them, b4 they repeat again. (if u dont get that i mean like a parradiddle has 4 strokes in it and a triple parradiddle has 8, but only 4-6or maybe seven. Remember soft and slow, and on the pad u should hardly even hear urself playing, wen doing the 16th ex and parradiddles instead of having it on 1/4 notes, set the metronome to 16ths at 110bpm cause its this will also improove your timing. JUST TRY THIS FOR ONE WEEK, ONE WEEK!!! ITS NOT LONG AT ALL BUT U WILL IMPROOVE!!! AND ULL REALLY FEEL IT. TELL UR TEACHER U JUST WANT TO DO A BIT OF STICKING EX'S THIS WEEK. Ask him for sum as well, hell give u sum, but i would suggest posting them in this thread before u do them, cause he might be giving u sumthing unappriate. And remember SOFT, SLOW (100/110BPM), SOFT, ONE WEEK, ULL IMPROOVE!!!

So good luck and i do hope u do this and improove, dont be discoureged, just remeber y ur doing this so u can improove. And no steve gadd for one week, and dont u dare say no, cause one week is not long, do this and u will improove.

Good luck.

EDIT i just saw the size of this post, its the biggest i ever did, now just make it the most worthy. It took along time,lol
EDIT2 - i made a mistake do parradiddles staring at 40bpm 16ths then max of 80bpm. NOT !!) thats only single stroke 16ths and to start with thats 100bpm.

[finnhiggins]

not to start another argument, but i do play rudiments. Alot more than you think. I just dont play boring grooves on the drumset that i dont belive will help me (playing harder stuff will help me more then simple 4/4 rock patterns w/o and syncapation (sp?) and stuff to make it sound cool and complicated.)

This is where you're being stupid again. And yes, I do mean stupid.

Here's the deal. The challenge in playing simpler material is not getting the notes in the right sequence. It's getting them perfect. Every single note perfectly in time, every time. Every single stroke dynamically perfect. Every single rimshot perfectly consistent.

You can't do that. With anything. Face this, it's reality.

Once you can do it then you can start working on harder stuff. But just learning that harder stuff without achieving perfection on the simpler stuff will just make you sound like a poseur, which is what you are now.

[T.L.]

what a boring beat. (lemme quote, lemme quote!) "you can see that steves time is also not steady". class a would say? :P

young drummers... LISTEN TO STEVE JORDAN !

Good call Kacperivo.... Steve Jordan is the man!

He is a guy that young players like Class A should be trying to emulate (Ironically, so is Gadd -- just, as others have already menioned -- however, it's Gadd's simple grooving and musicality that Class A should be listening to, not his advanced licks).

P.S. Class A: Check out some Kenny Aronoff with John Mellancamp -- start with the song "It Hurts So Good." That is a killer rock groove..... and it sounds simple, but to play it like Aronoff is anything but easy.

[fatedrummer]

Originally Posted by Class A Drummer
Ive done the basics. Belive me.

You can't surpass basics. Even pro's play basics on stage and when practicing. You need to work on your beats. Everyone on this thread thinks you timing is off. ITS NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN HIDE. IT STICKS OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB AND MAKES PEOPLE POST OVER 350 POST ON WHY YOUR OUT OF TIME.

you can't defend a defacto statement like your rythm and you surely can't make up for it by playing gadd, and saying that "o well, his stuff is hard, and i do make mistakes". THats no excuse. If you want to know something: Advanced players play advanced stuff.

Your still working on basics. KEEP WORKING ON THEM.

how bout you find a pro drummer that thinks basic aren't an important part of playing and then talk.

But for now shut up and play right.

[theduke86]

This is where you're being stupid again. And yes, I do mean stupid.

Here's the deal. The challenge in playing simpler material is not getting the notes in the right sequence. It's getting them perfect. Every single note perfectly in time, every time. Every single stroke dynamically perfect. Every single rimshot perfectly consistent.

You can't do that. With anything. Face this, it's reality.

Once you can do it then you can start working on harder stuff. But just learning that harder stuff without achieving perfection on the simpler stuff will just make you sound like a poseur, which is what you are now.
*gasp*
Not the dreaded "P" word!!!!
TomGrosset, LatinGroover, Matt, thanks for the props. You know, you guys are pretty ok.
Class A- You know what Gadd does to warmup every single day? You might be suprised. He turns the metronome to 60 bpm, plays quarter notes on the hihat, 2 and 4 on the snare, 1 and 3 on the bass drum. Until he gets this perfectly in time and everything perfectly consistent. He has said this often takes him 15-20 minutes. Then, he'll start adding minor variations, like playing eighth notes with a quarter note accent on the hihat. He'll do that for 30-40 minutes for his warmup. That's what Gadd does. If you tell me you're too good for this, I'm seriously going to bust a cap.

[KzSgDrummer]

^ Wow I didn't know that, but it makes sense. I can totally picture the guy just sitting there pounding out these super slow, super slinky quarter notes. Hmm, that makes me realize my ballad tempo playing needs some earnest work like this.

[jazzsnob]

If you tell me you're too good for this, I'm seriously going to bust a cap.


ya, 4 sure duke, holdin' it down



For seriously, I think that you( Class A) should try a lesson with another teacher. I'm pretty sure that you will ignore this post, so I will make it bigger.

Try a lesson with another teacher. See what they say about your technique and what they need to work on. It doesn't mean that your teacher is bad. I means that it's worth getting a second opininion. Just because someone and sick and goes to a second doctor doesn't mean that the first doctor's years of study aren't validated, it means that even though he may be a good doctor, he's not perfect and may have missed something. If you say don't want to go to another teacher, you are essentially admitting that you are afraid. You might not say so to people in this thread, but you're admitting it to yourself. You are afraid that everyone in this thread is right and that you actually need to work hard on things that you don't find interesting. You take the easier route by assuming everyones wrong and that you're doing fine doing what your doing, but deep down you must know you're taking the easy way out.

You know one of the reasons Steve Gadd is so great is his double strokes. He has some of the most beautiful double strokes I've heard on the set, from anyone. Do you think he stopped practicing double strokes when he "decided" he was good at them at 14? Not a chance, he's practiced them all his life


Here's a code that I figured out and was talking about with Larry Finn.

It goes like this:

Every drummer, from his first day playing to his last day playing, must practice these three things
1.Single Strokes
2.Double Strokes(with triple strokes and press/buzz rolls counted)
3.Keeping time.

Everything we play, everything steve gadd plays, is essentially combinations of singles and multiple bounces played with our hands and feet in time on the drumset. How the hell is ANYONE beyond working on basic timekeeping? Ever? Does anyone feel like they're "done" practicing grooving? Didn't think so.

You're going to work on the most boring of basics all your life Class A, or no one is going to want to play with you.

Good lucK!

[fatedrummer]

hey guys, i was just browsing through some threads here and there and I found this post by Class A drummer.

THis is an actual post. I did not make up, or edit this post in anyway. You can find it under "heads and sticks" in the thread "looking for a stick artist to endorse"

im interested in getting an endorsement with a stick company, and this seems like a good one for a first timer. Problem is the only video i have is the one in my profile. I know i need some work on keeping time (actually ive been working on that and i can pretty much do it perfectly now).


WOW just WOW

[KzSgDrummer]

I really regret diving in to this mess, but some of the posts in here are borderline DEconstructive criticism. There are lot of helpful posts, but then there are others that get pretty close to bashing Class A that have nothing else positive to say. He might be showing ignorance on some things, but I don't like how things are slowly DEvolving.

No de- anythings please.

[jazzsnob]

I really regret diving in to this mess, but some of the posts in here are borderline DEconstructive criticism. There are lot of helpful posts, but then there are others that get pretty close to bashing Class A that have nothing else positive to say. He might be showing ignorance on some things, but I don't like how things are slowly DEvolving.

No de- anythings please.
You are totally right, but I think since this thread is kind of an interesting sociological pheonomenon, it's kind of expected.

It's weird, because on the one hand you have this wonderful instinct most drummers have to really try and help other drummers and further the art, but on the other hand you a kid who, regardless of age, is astoundingly delusional, sometimes rude and almost always ignorant of his abilities.

It's kind of a struggle of whether it's worth it to give advice, or just say "screw him, he'll be a failure, more room for me to get gigs."

I've decided that I'm just gonna say what I think Class A should read and what I think could honestly help if he decides to put the work it. If he doesn't want to do the work, fine, he's not going to get endorsed or be famous or anything, because greats pay their dues.

Sorry for the rant, anyway I agree with you that we don't need to bash Class A unfairly, because what the whole situation boils down to seems to be a scared kid getting A LOT of attention on the internet.

[TopCat]

It's really noble of you all to try and help this poor child. But he's beyond help out of arrogance, stupidity and ignorance. Just point and laugh, it's all that's left. Or throw a violin.

[DrummerBen1]

It's really noble of you all to try and help this poor child. But he's beyond help out of arrogance, stupidity and ignorance. Just point and laugh, it's all that's left. Or throw a violin.

Hopefully the violin will hit him first, and then he'll pick it up lol

[jazzsnob]

I'm not down for making fun of him so much. I sucked once too. If he ever decides to turn around and apologize and fix his technique, I'll be on his side right away. A lot of this stuff could definitely be the fault of lackluster teaching. So, if you ever wise up Class A, everything will be cool. If not, you are going to be a famous internet sensation ever more(in a bad, bad way).

[rendezvous_drummer]

I know exactly what you mean man. Im sitting here reading this thread and watching old Ren and Stimpy episodes. Im laughing my ass off in this room!
ren and stimpy RULES!!! Log is the best.

[finnhiggins]

I'd just like to point out my daily practice routine for Class A's edification here.

1) I get up in the morning and sit down a pad. My hands aren't warmed up, so I run open-and-closed singles, doubles and unisons in 16ths from 20bpm up to something comfortable without going too hardcore into finger territory - so about 140bpm for singles, 160 for doubles, 70bpm for unisons. This isn't about doing anything hard, it's just about getting my hands in shape for what's to come.

2) I sit down at the kit and play very, very basic material: single strokes, double strokes, really simple basic co-ordination combinations against basic ostinato. All of this is done with a metronome, and if I'm set up for it then I record and listen back later. The goal here is getting everything consistent and perfect. Here's the thing: your time and consistency is all over the place, so you just think "oh, I just have to fix that and it'll be fine". The problem is so common that it happens all the time, so you think it's an easy fix. As it gets better each little mistake actually stands out more, because the quality of what is around the mistake is so much higher. So I work on trying to iron out the little things and play perfectly for a while.

3) I review old material that I have to play - at the moment this is stuff from my band, new material from previous weeks. This is generally co-ordinationally a bit tricky, so I slow it right down to 30-40bpm and try to play perfectly at that speed. Then I gradually run the metronome up to the natural tempo plus 20-50bpm just for a bit of headroom. This is all about taking each piece of material I have to play and saying "How can I play this better?". You can always play something better, even if it's just a single stroke roll at 75bpm or a simple quarter note hi-hat line over bass drum on the 1/3 and snare on the 2/4. You're never "too good" for that stuff, trust me.

4) I learn new material. Here I stop caring about perfection initially, and just worry about getting the limbs falling in the right sequence. Once I can play the stuff moderately smoothly I move it into the pile I deal with in #3.

Now, Class A - here's where you go wrong.

All you do of this stuff is #4. And it shows in your playing. If you want to sound good, scrap #4 entirely for six months and just do the first three. The amount of #4 is dictated for me by what material I need to learn to play in bands. I could still improve for years if I just went over all the stuff I can already play and did #3 on it on a daily basis.

[franklinj]

ren and stimpy RULES!!! Log is the best.

Im a fan of Powdered Toast Man myself!

God, old Nickelodeon was the best, wasnt it? Legends of the Hidden Temple, Ren and Stimpy, Are You Afraid of the Dark...

[chops4kicks]

This should just be the new Off Topic Discussion thread

[rendezvous_drummer]

Im a fan of Powdered Toast Man myself!

God, old Nickelodeon was the best, wasnt it? Legends of the Hidden Temple, Ren and Stimpy, Are You Afraid of the Dark...
HAHA Powdered Toast Man was awesome! Yea old Nickelodeon was the best, I always watched Are You Afraid of the Dark.

[Stu_Strib]

2) I sit down at the kit and play very, very basic material: single strokes, double strokes, really simple basic co-ordination combinations


Dude, cant' you read? That is way too boring and simple for great drummers like me and Class A.

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Class A, have you ever played with other musicians? I am positive you woulnd't even get through the first jam before the guitarist stopped and asked, "what the hell are you doing?"

[brittc89]

Dude, cant' you read? That is way too boring and simple for great drummers like me and Class A.
Ha ha ha! I dont why that made me laugh so much, but it did!

[gringo998]

heres something to try man, i do this all the time


just get your bass drum, your snare, and your hi hats isolated from the rest of the kit, and just jam on that for the longest time. probably use a metronome too. seriously, spend a day doing that.

if you have an older kit, use that one. its not only fun, but it will definantly improve your grove ALOT.

[Jay.B.]

I would personally like to say thank you to all the people who have posted some great advice in this thread, I have realised how really bad I am, and how much I need to take a dozen or more steps back and get down to basics, Thank you all.

On the other hand, I can't beleive you're still trying to break through that impervious little skull of his, you all have the patience of saints, and if any of you are in the middle of the UK and are available for lessons, IM me...

[rendezvous_drummer]

Hey man, we all have room for improvement, nobody's a perfect drummer. I'm sure you're not a bad drummer. But yes there has been some great advice here that everyone can use. Best to take it all in.

[Jookbox]

so the guy's not very good and he won't listen to criticism. move on is what i recommend.

[Class A Drummer]

heres something to try man, i do this all the time


just get your bass drum, your snare, and your hi hats isolated from the rest of the kit, and just jam on that for the longest time. probably use a metronome too. seriously, spend a day doing that.

if you have an older kit, use that one. its not only fun, but it will definantly improve your grove ALOT.
i do that alot. Its alot of fun. Its too much work taking everything apart and just making it a 2 peice, so i just dont hit anything else. I sometimes switch from the hats to the ride though. Its alot of fun.

[pdp 9091]

i do that alot. Its alot of fun. Its too much work taking everything apart and just making it a 2 peice, so i just dont hit anything else. I sometimes switch from the hats to the ride though. Its alot of fun.


for some reason i dont think you do. If u dont have discipline to play "boring" rudiments then u dont have the discipline to not hit random toms while trying to do gadd fills instead of just playing with the hi hat snare and kick

[tamadrummer132]

How about this.......just change the "G" in GADD to a "B" and it will all make more sense!

ROFL. that made my day

[wnameth]

ROFL. that made my day

WHY? would you bring back a thread from sooo long ago just to comment on someone's diss?

i think this thread has seen enough. haha, and you brought it back for a round 2, no make that round 10.

-Wes

[tomgrosset]

You just opened another can of worms.