Fast playing question

[Miggle]

i've seen buddy rich's videos and a lot more and they play really really really fast. My question is, how do they do this? Using the moeller technique or just fast wrists?

I've been trying to emulate them and somehow I could with fast wrist movement. Not very tiring as long as I dont hit hard, something which isn't supposed to be done in such playing I think. But something tells me they're using the moeller technique because they could play for ages and not seem to get tired.

Any ideas? thanks

[TheSteve]

The only way to get that fast is to practice it at a moderate tempo for a long time everyday consistantly. You need to build your muscles to get used to that pattern before you can play super fast like you've been watching. It's not so much a technical issue, so if you just practice the pattern everyday to say, your favorite music you'll get more and more comfortable. Just put on your favorites and play nothing but your ride pattern and if you want, you can add in your hat. Getting that ride pattern down pact is the key. Just keep practicing it and never let up. Trust me, I've been doing it for months on end and it helps more then you'd ever imagine. Good luck and keep practicing.

[Drummin Drew 1]

Ya their using moeller, and alot of it is double strokes and paradiddles.

[DillingerEscp]

you could use moeller technique. I just use a metronome and try and get as fast as I can...

[a1DrummerT]

i've seen buddy rich's videos and a lot more and they play really really really fast. My question is, how do they do this? Using the moeller technique or just fast wrists?

I've been trying to emulate them and somehow I could with fast wrist movement. Not very tiring as long as I dont hit hard, something which isn't supposed to be done in such playing I think. But something tells me they're using the moeller technique because they could play for ages and not seem to get tired.

Any ideas? thanks

for one thing being a seasoned pro helps..you cant just emulate buddy rich dude..and you have to practice practice practice... and you dont have to play soft in jazz/big band you play w/ finesse which is something you gain when you get control of urself which comes w/ practice and hard work

i dont know if he was using the moeller technique but get control of ur fingers and you should be able to build up ur jazz ride speed..

practice this exercise

R R R R R R R R L L L L L L L L R R R R L L L L R R R L L L R R L L R L

and these triplets R R R L L L..

get complete control before you increase ur tempo..y/w

[samthebeat]

i've seen buddy rich's videos and a lot more and they play really really really fast. My question is, how do they do this? Using the moeller technique or just fast wrists?

I've been trying to emulate them and somehow I could with fast wrist movement. Not very tiring as long as I dont hit hard, something which isn't supposed to be done in such playing I think. But something tells me they're using the moeller technique because they could play for ages and not seem to get tired.

Any ideas? thanks

Why dont you get a vid and slow it down so you can see what he is really doing.

[Tex12]

I think Dillinger should concentrate on eveness before playing as fast as he can
If it don't sound even and with some kind of musicality it don't make any sense

[Backwards Marathon]

ive been practisng RRRR LLLL with my hands and then RRRR LLLL with my feet and ive seen some results.

[cymbals~FEAR~me]

Here's a little history to help you understand how most (not just Buddy) play fast. Back during the big band era, drumheads were still calfskin. Because of its characteristics, calfskin heads give very little rebound. So instead of the normal buzz roll we all know, they had to single stroke the rolls. The modern buzz roll wasn't invented till plastic heads came about.

This also aplies to Buddy. Except he had so much control and strength in his left hand, he could just continue with the "roll" forever.

My advice; Go back in time and play big band for 30 years.

Just kidding. Follow all the tips already posted, they're good. Another thing you could do, watch the Dave Weckl video on single hand roll.

Good luck man, just remember to use it in a musical way.

Before I go, just remember that don't spend your entire practice on this! Work on other stuff too. A producer won't care who can do a single hand roll, he will want someone that can groove, so be careful.

Ok, that's my warning. Hey good luck learning this man. It's wicked funny to show your non-drummer friends and watch them freak out!

Cheers...

[centralzeke]

To get fast, you need really good technique, it's that simple. Make sure your technique is perfect at slower speeds. If you already understand rebound, exercises like 8 On A Hand are great (make sure you're going slow enough to concentrate on form), because your working on each hand individually - sometimes when you start playing, the weaker hand simply gets "dragged" along. Also, stay relaxed at all times.

Good technique + practice = speed.

[balboa]

To get fast, you need really good technique, it's that simple. Make sure your technique is perfect at slower speeds. If you already understand rebound, exercises like 8 On A Hand are great (make sure you're going slow enough to concentrate on form), because your working on each hand individually - sometimes when you start playing, the weaker hand simply gets "dragged" along. Also, stay relaxed at all times.

Good technique + practice = speed.

totally correct!!! technique can make or break your progress. with poor technique your peak performance will lower. good or even great technique will take u so far