Most Under-rated Drummers

[Dill X]

I know that most of us on here love to talk about those amazing and technical drumming masters, but what about those drummers who rarely get noticed. I'm talking about the drummers that have a solid back beat with a few minor fills throughout the whole song. These drummers are all about keeping the solid time and accenting the perfect parts of the song. When you listen to this drummers you can't help to tap along with your foot but yet it's just so simple as if their holding back.

The drummers I'm trying to highlight in this thread are those that seem help back by the music they play. You know that they could probably tear up on the drumset, but they'd rather take the job of the back beat and let the music flow from the rest of the group as a whole.

Guys like: Will Champion from Coldplay, Larry Mullin Jr. from U2, Fab Morretti of The Strokes, and Rob Bourdin (sp?) from Linkin Park.

These guys are all under-rated drummers who don't get the respect they deserve.

Who else do you think is an under-rated drummer?

[potter696]

Dominic howard, Muse nobody really seems to give him the credit he deserves...

Listen to songs like Butterflies and Hurricanes and Hyper music to see what i mean...

[finnhiggins]

Listen to songs like Butterflies and Hurricanes and Hyper music to see what i mean...

I tried, I really did! It's just the singing, it makes my ears bleed so bad I can't hear the drums at all...

[JW89]

Patrick Wilson from Weezer is very under-rated, a lot of people think that he sucks, but ive seen them live a couple of times, and when he plays songs live he adds more complex drum fills

But dill X, back to what u said about larry mullen jr. i think that guy has to be pretty good, the stuff he plays on U2 albums is nothing special, but wasnt he tought by somebody who was considered to be the best drummer out of ireland? he has to be some what of a monster on the set.

[Dill X]

But dill X, back to what u said about larry mullen jr. i think that guy has to be pretty good, the stuff he plays on U2 albums is nothing special, but wasnt he tought by somebody who was considered to be the best drummer out of ireland? he has to be some what of a monster on the set.

I know, that's the whole point of thread. It's all about those drummers who are probably amazing but never get a chance to really shine because of the music they play. I've heard old material of Larry Mullin Jr. on the radio when U2 was just starting and he was just tearing it up on the kit.

[Jaymasta]

Joey Castillo is under-rated and he is a sick drummer he should defianantly be on this site

[JW89]

thats what sucks, too many people judge drummers on what they do in the recordings for their bands. There are a lot of insane drummers out there, but they arent in bands that call for it.

[finnhiggins]

thats what sucks, too many people judge drummers on what they do in the recordings for their bands. There are a lot of insane drummers out there, but they arent in bands that call for it.

I personally think that if you're good it shows through anyway. Look at Matt Chamberlain's stuff with Tori Amos, particularly the live version of "Bells for Her". Almost nothing there, just a shaker, some bongos and the occasional backbeat in the chorus. But just try to play all that snare ghosting that appears every now and again - that's tricky stuff to get clean and tight, especially without a hi-hat or ride cymbal to cover up your mistakes.

[potter696]

forgot about phil selway, i think that guy is fantastic, he just never gets noticed, some of the beats he plays are great like in creep and climbing up the walls, they may be really simple but they're what you remember the songs for...

I also think mike portnoy is underrated as not many people actually know who he is (i also know that there is a thread dedicated to him) but thats just my opinion...

[stagecustom]

?uestlove aka amhir thompson

[finnhiggins]

?uestlove aka amhir thompson

I'm off to see The Roots this very evening! Whoohoo!

[Stu_Strib]

I would like to add that Jeff Porcaro is underrated too, even though he gets a lot of press from drummers. He's a drummer's drummer, but outside of drummers most people don't know his work.

Jeff Porcaro Discography (http://home.swipnet.se/ml/jeff.html)

[Stu_Strib]

I'll have to check out the Tori Amos stuff. Everytime I've sampled it, I couldn't get into her music. I guess I can listen just for the drums.

[LordQuas]

?uestlove aka amhir thompson
Yes, you are right! ?uestlove is a great drummer and producer, he is really great.
I love The Roots.

[Jookbox]

boris williams, formerly of the cure. his drum beats are easy to play but most of them are unique.

[toteman2]

I know Matt Sorum can tear the kit appart, but is very reserved when playing in GNR, Slashes Snake Pit, on Velvet Rovolver...

[finnhiggins]

I'll have to check out the Tori Amos stuff. Everytime I've sampled it, I couldn't get into her music. I guess I can listen just for the drums.

I know what you mean, I got a video just to watch Matt play and wanted to kill that bloody woman after about five minutes. But on the other hand she's a very good singer, and the musicianship is top-notch all over. I can't really cope with any of the albums other than Choirgirl, but the live CD is astonishing.

Good drum songs to check out from the Choirgirl album:

* Liquid Diamonds (drum machine + very intricate live overdub)
* Hotel (Everything... the song's a mess, but there's heaps going on)
* She's Your Cocaine (for a very live drum sound for a change)
* Iieee (just for the loop, it's really cool)

Good live tracks:

* Space Dog (for groove and snare drum playing)
* Cruel (for aggressive stuff)
* Bells for Her (for minimalism)
* Cornflake Girl (for an awesome shuffle)

[stagecustom]

I'm off to see The Roots this very evening! Whoohoo!


wow very very very lucky

[finnhiggins]

wow very very very lucky

I'm not feeling quite so lucky, I was talking to the editor of the local drum mag about setting me up an interview with ?uestlove. She was keen but the promoters came back and said they weren't allowing any interviews for anybody this tour. Bummer.

But still, I get to go see The Roots tonight. So I'm not exactly down. I saw them last time they were over here, they're one hard-working band - they played for so long that the car park closed and I had to catch the bus half way home and walk the other half! None of this 45-minute set nonsense you see from some bands, they did easily 2.5 hours ... maybe more.

Also, ?uestlove is just great. I love his approach, so funky and so deceptively simple sounding, yet so unique.

[stagecustom]

thats cool man, sorry you didnt get to meet him I would be pretty bummed also.

How did you get in touch with the editor of a drum magazine?

[Stu_Strib]

Finn, I sampled all those Amos tunes. I'll pass. His drumming on the John Mayer cd is great, but you gotta figure out which ones he is on, because its actually three drummers (?uestlove too!?)

Also, I believe he is the only drummer for the first two Sara Evans albums (if you don't hate female country).

I was astonished to find out, after hours of trying to figure out who was the drummer on a John Mayer track, a Sara Evans track, and the Wallflowers drummer, that its all the same guy! Probably why I like it.

As for Tori, well, I guess I'm not the right demographic, because I don't get anything she's singing. Like you said, she's got a good voice, but her songs might as well be in Swedish, because I have no clue what's going on! It reminds me of Jewel, but without the radio-friendly edge to it.

Stu

[finnhiggins]

Finn, I sampled all those Amos tunes. I'll pass. His drumming on the John Mayer cd is great, but you gotta figure out which ones he is on, because its actually three drummers (?uestlove too!?)


Heh, I can't stand John Mayer so I guess we're back on familiar ground by not agreeing on that one :) I think my feelings on the subject are best summed up by this article (http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=1854) :)

I can quite understand you not being too keen on that Tori Amos stuff though, she's certainly an acquired taste - and not one I've entirely managed to acquire at that.

also, stagecustom: I write for the mag in question, and I initially made contact by getting the email address of the editor off my flatmate - he's a drummer too and runs one of the larger drum departments in New Zealand. He'd had contact with her over a clinic held in the shop. I saw the mag and decided I should try to get some stuff in there, so I pitched an idea for a hi-tech/contemporary type column and it ran from there. It's only a quarterly magazine, so it's not exactly a big part of my workload but it's fun to do - and hey, I may yet get to meet some kickass people, we'll see.

(Edit: It may have helped that I have a magazine journalism background, it's what I used to do...)

[illy]

Patrick Wilson from Weezer is very under-rated, a lot of people think that he sucks, but ive seen them live a couple of times, and when he plays songs live he adds more complex drum fills

But dill X, back to what u said about larry mullen jr. i think that guy has to be pretty good, the stuff he plays on U2 albums is nothing special, but wasnt he tought by somebody who was considered to be the best drummer out of ireland? he has to be some what of a monster on the set.

a lot of people think he sucks?! why? his drumming fit the music so perfectly. he is a great drummer.

[JW89]

a lot of people think he sucks?! why? his drumming fit the music so perfectly. he is a great drummer.

yea i know! people are crazy, i was at guitar center like a year ago, and i was talking to a couple of people about him, and they were like "no, hes garbage". I think hes really good.

[CarterB_Junkie]

Nick D Virgillio from Spock's Beard !!!
This guy should have his page on Drummerworld for a long time, Bernhard, what are you waiting ???

Just check out the concept album Snow and see the brilliance of his playing. All Spock's Beard album until Snow are amazing to me !

Larry Mullin Jr from U2 : Sunday Bloddy Sunday intro anyone ??

Igor Cavalera : his tribal thrash playing is just fabulous !

Van Williams from Nevermore : excellent metal playing !

Steven Adler from GNR on the Appetite Album : I need more Cowbell !!!!!

Pharrell Williams (yes the Neptunes Fella) he has an incredible pocket and groove, he started as a drummer FYI

[PearlDrummer014]

i am the worlds most underrated drummer =) haha yea rite

[Ynnad101]

?uestlove aka amhir thompson

personally i dont think ?love is under-rated at all, just ask anyone who listens to the roots and theyll tell u... and if they dont then its just a matter of letting them know that the beat is human!!! lol... wanna double check??? look at the MD 2005 reader's poll results, (july issue) and you'll find out, thats just only one of the reasons.

Or maybe its cuz i listen to roots alot!!! oh well...

[Blue]

I totally agree with this thread. I don't think I could keep such a groove on such songs and hold back on filling. They are very unselfish in this aspect, and as such, are great musicians.

To name a few:

The guy from MUSE: I think not only is he completely solid, but absolutely creative as well, putting in the perfect fills. I could never do that. I wish I could.

The guy from Coldplay I noticed too.

Nick Mason, I think his name is, the guy from Pink Floyd. although he did kind of let loose, he kept a very tight pocket on many-a-slow song.

[Mario Vincent]

If any of you guys listen to The Outlaws they have two great drummers I really like, David Dix and Monte Yoho. Not really known but neither are the Outlaws so that’s probably why... check them out on The Outlaws Bring it Back Alive live album... good stuff (along the lines of Skynard and Allmon Bros)

Also, I’m not sure if he's considered underrated but Dave Abbruzzese of Pearl Jam is sick. Great great feel. You can tell by the little subtleties in his beats that he’s bored with standard rock beats, his SNL performances are a good example. I haven't heard any of his work outside of Pearl Jam, any body know what its like?

Also... I just wanna say, Jimmy Chamberlin, who I guess is fairly well known (of The Smashing Pumpkins) has some sick fills on their track Geek U.S.A. (good song too, check it out)

Ok, I'm done

[rendezvous_drummer]

Larry mullen jr. from U2, John Lever from the Chameleons UK, and Aaron Solowoniuk from Billy Talent.

[Dannar]

Matt Abts from Gov't Mule is the most under-rated drummer I have ever seen. The man is incredible. His grooves, his technique, everything about his drumming is perfect. The only problem is, I haven't seen one other person mention him on this board!! Gov't Mule is a fairly unheard of band, its sort of a more focused and heavier version of the Allman Brothers. Very similar to Cream, Zeppelin, Mountain, and other great rock bands of the 60's, and 70's. I can highly recomend them to anyone who enjoys good ol rock bands. CHECK'EM OUT!!!!!!!!!

George Recile is also really good, he currently plays for Bob Dylan. He played for James Brown at one point, but he too is amazing. Check him out too!!

[devilfish]

In my opinion, Ty Dennis of Riders of the Storm (formerly The Doors and D21C), Scott Phillips of Creed and now Altar Bridge (his fills and ghost notes are awesome along with his HH slurs to compliment the other things he's doing), Dena Tauriello of Antigone Rising (she's a very strong drummer), My uncle (who can't read music but can play anything by anyone just off of a CD or the radio), the U2 drummer (I'll agree with that), the drummer for The Killers (he has such technique and timing, he's awesome), and the drummer for Coldplay too.

Cheers!

[Stu_Strib]

Matt Abts from Gov't Mule is the most under-rated drummer I have ever seen.

Thank you. I've always wonder who he was. Along those lines, the drummer for O.A.R. (don't know who he is though), the drummer(s) for Mandalin Jazz (orchestra?). Finally the drummer for Keb' Mo'

Stu

[Superlow]

The drummer from Mr. Bungle is pretty underrated, Danny Heifetz (spelling). He is sick, anyone who can keep up with as many genres and just craziness the rest of the band puts out is insane in my opinion. Matt Johnson who played with Jeff Buckley Is pretty underrated. I recommend to any rock fan to pick up His Album Grace. Very unique drumming for rock music.

[onemat]

Yeah Joey Castillo is pretty darn good!
I Like Roxy.
I don't even care if she plays or not. She just looks great on a set of drums!
Ahhhhh Then there's Yael...


For Video on Joey Castillo, Yael and others check them out here..
http://pacificdrums.com/pdp/movies/index.htm#

[Tyrnox]

I personally think Jason Rullo of symphony X is an underated drummer, he's incredible yet not much people know of him, or the band.

[drumzalicious]

Calvin Napper - the songs i have heard him play he is pocket the whole time with maybe one or two licks that just make you rewind.
Calvin Rodgers - when he plays most people just hear the groove, i recently got ahold of a clip of him soloing and it was rediculous. his timing is almost perfect, you hear the subdivisions so clearly in his fills it's like a drum machine.
Gerald Heyward - this guy hardly played a fill till the end of Beyonce's DVD the whole concert you heard pocket then out of nowhere he just ripped

[finnhiggins]

The drummer from Mr. Bungle is pretty underrated, Danny Heifetz (spelling). He is sick, anyone who can keep up with as many genres and just craziness the rest of the band puts out is insane in my opinion. Matt Johnson who played with Jeff Buckley Is pretty underrated. I recommend to any rock fan to pick up His Album Grace. Very unique drumming for rock music.

Hell, you can come visit my house anytime :) I like your calls. Danny Heifetz is great, but if you're going to mention him you also have to get William Winant in there, they work so well together - probably the most creative drummer/percussionist pair I can think of.

[jangus]

John Densmore IMO

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[Fldrummer]

Steve Hass

http://stevehass.net/listen-recordings.html

[onemat]

John Densmore IMO

i need more characters

Matt replies: Man I love Densmore's work and distinctive sound. John Aldridge once met him at LAX and said he was a real friendly guy.
the first Doors album is classic, largely due to John Densmore's playing, IMO. Matt

[DrumWise]

I think Josh Freese is really under rated. He is one of the best session players to have ever walked the earth - and I have met him!! lol.

[cicatrizoo]

Brad Wilk from Audioslave and RATM. I think his work on RATM's "Evil Empire" and AS's new "Out of Exile" are really impressive. He's not big on fills and I wonder if that's the reason he's hardly recognized as a top notch player.

[Elemental Nausea]

I really think if you are a good drummer it will shine through even in bands with relatively simple arrangements...on the cd you usually have to play very straight but live you can show your talent better, of course. And anyway, if somebody is really such a great drummer he or she will surely have a side project, thats more demanding apart from their famous band for example

but I think that aquiles priester, drummer for angra is really underrated, I have seen him live and he is so amazing, his solo was unique too, however, noone seems to know him here or care about him

[Jaymasta]

AARON SOLOWONIUK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[rendezvous_drummer]

AARON SOLOWONIUK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

YES MAN! THAT'S WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT! Wow, at least im the only person who thinks this!

[mikkeydee]

forgot about phil selway, i think that guy is fantastic, he just never gets noticed, some of the beats he plays are great like in creep and climbing up the walls, they may be really simple but they're what you remember the songs for...

I also think mike portnoy is underrated as not many people actually know who he is (i also know that there is a thread dedicated to him) but thats just my opinion...

Mike Portnoy is often mentioned on those "MOST OVERRATED" topics. He has a fame coming from DT, for his "easily understandable, mimicable progressive grooves and fills" among young drummers.
MP's forum has always been the hottest among drummers' personal website, why is he underrated?

For phil selway, I really have something to say.
I used to be a fanatic for radiohead. But i found that phil is just lucky to get his bread and butter for playing for Radiohead. His skills really does not match his position:
Reasons:
1.Listen to his songs just like "creep" or something, he plays the hihat sooo "stiff" that even sounds like a drum program, rather than a real human drummer playing... obviously that's what a studio newbie doing when being nervous and afraid to make mistakes.
2. on one of their 2 disk live album, i already forgot name. before a song, he plays a stick click 1-2-3-4 to set a tempo. Very easy to tell he started too fast and just slowed down at 3-4. Poor feel for tempo.
3.same albume, the live version "just" ..... holly sh!t that was a mess... poor control
4. have u ever listen to their studio version "just"? pretty cool song, i love it.
however, phil once in an interview said "just" was a song that brings him to the "top" in recording.... compared to other songs, yes, "just" is a bit more complicated. but everyone believes for ANY studio/session drummers that can be a true piece of cake. But in this track u can also feel that phil has less confident to play it with more "moving dynamics". Just another programmed machine, very nervous to "catch up" the song not to screw it up.

Why phil stays unnoticed? Becos he know as a drummer of his level, that he is already lucky enough to tour on a world level, sell millions of records.

[Jaymasta]

YES MAN! THAT'S WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT! Wow, at least im the only person who thinks this! WERE BOTH SOLOWONIUK FANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

[rendezvous_drummer]

WERE BOTH SOLOWONIUK FANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

HELL YEAH! Have you seen Billy Talent Live before??

[Freddie Freeloader]

i'd have to say JEFF SIPE is one guy who needs more attention! he's frikkin' awesome! i'm quite surprised he doesn't have a page here.

and btw, i still think phil selway is damn good.

[Dill X]

The drummer of Oasis. I think their drummer is Zach Starkey (Ringo's son), but I'm not sure. Either way he keeps an awesome beat and has a great sound.

[rendezvous_drummer]

the drummer of oasis is very good indeed and deserves alot more credit. Another great drummer out there who has not recieved much attention is Steve Gillis from FILTER. I recommend you all check out some of their stuff, It's really awesome.

[lud2002]

Mike Derosier, formerly of Heart, Orion the Hunter, and Alias, now playing for Clever Bastards. Very solid playing, creative, and Bonham-like.

Don Brewer of Grand Funk Railroad. I love to listen to his triplets.

[NUTHA JASON]

i've said it before and i'll say it again

Robbie Gonzales people.

nobody here knows him but he played with AL DI MEOLA on his 'splendido hotel' album. he and steve gadd shared the work but i think in this album he played better than Gdd. if you think you know progressive jazz and you haven't heard this album then you have missed a serious chunk. two songs in particular ...

BLEW ME AWAY
1) ALIEN CHASE ON AN ARABIAN DESERT
insanely fast and full of feeling and so tight you couldn't get a razor blade between the parts.
2) DINNER MUSIC OF THE GODS
also very thematic and tight.

i find it hard to believe that in all the time i've been on drummersworld that i have yet to meet another person that has even heard this album. it belongs up there in the top twenty drumming albums of all time. come on folks. track it down and give it a listen. you will not be disappointed.

j

[thetourist]

I think that Sam Fogarino of Interpol adds a lot to their sound, although I would admit that a few bands are trying the same kind of stuff, namely the killers, etc. But I personally prefer Interpol's sound. For drums I cite songs like Slow Hands and Obstacle 1 for the neat hi hat stuff and generally creative orchestration.

[finnhiggins]

The drummer of Oasis. I think their drummer is Zach Starkey (Ringo's son), but I'm not sure. Either way he keeps an awesome beat and has a great sound.

Unless they've changed since Oasis annoyed me so much I started completely ignoring them, it used to be Alan White. No, not that Alan White. The other Alan White. The one who plays for Oasis...

[Rudy McRudster]

I've said it once and I'll say it again: Lenny White is a great drummer and you hardly ever hear of him. His work with Return to Forever is some of the defining work along with Cobham, Weckl, and Gadd. He's a very good player and he's got a great range.

[Dill X]

i've said it before and i'll say it again

Robbie Gonzales people.

i find it hard to believe that in all the time i've been on drummersworld that i have yet to meet another person that has even heard this album. it belongs up there in the top twenty drumming albums of all time. come on folks. track it down and give it a listen. you will not be disappointed.

j

Links, Nutha! Links!

[Jaymasta]

that chick from hilary duff I hate hilarys music but the drummer is good...

[NUTHA JASON]

Quote:
Originally Posted by NUTHA JASON
i've said it before and i'll say it again

Robbie Gonzales people.

i find it hard to believe that in all the time i've been on drummersworld that i have yet to meet another person that has even heard this album. it belongs up there in the top twenty drumming albums of all time. come on folks. track it down and give it a listen. you will not be disappointed.

j



Links, Nutha! Links! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00000273K/qid=1123919782/sr=1-14/ref=sr_1_14/103-3234484-9747035?v=glance&s=music

or from uk

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000026EBI/qid=1123919869/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i2_xgl/026-4949910-5202020

or for mp3 (i think)

http://songs.allofmp3.com/r2/Al_Di_Meola/Splendido_Hotel/group_6476/album_504/mcatalog.shtml

or just google it yourself.
http://195.96.170.43/covers/a/al_di_meola/splendido_hotel-1979/cover.jpg

[Dill X]

Oh he played with that guitarist? I have some of his records on vinyl.

[NUTHA JASON]

Oh he played with that guitarist? I have some of his records on vinyl.

have you listened to those two songs i mentioned Dill? what do you think of his drumming?

j

[Dill X]

have you listened to those two songs i mentioned Dill? what do you think of his drumming?

j

I listen to those clips from Amazon.com and in all of them there isn't really that much drumming. When there is though, he has a pretty cool sound that fits into the music well.

[keith777]

Jerry Gaskill (King's X)

[Jaymasta]

I'm not a killers fan but Ronnie the drummer from The Killers is good and under-rated

[keith777]

Slim Jim Phantom from Stray Cats

[Jaymasta]

Shannon Larkin Hes a good drummer hes got some simple yet fun to play beats

[Stu_Strib]

I listen to those clips from Amazon.com and in all of them there isn't really that much drumming. When there is though, he has a pretty cool sound that fits into the music well.

You can get a longer sample on iTunes on DiMeola's "Anthology" album.

Nutha, I own that album, yet never knew that guy was the drummer. I just thought it was Steve Gadd.

I saw Al DiMeola, with Chick Corea's Elektric band in 1990 in Germany. Since Weckl was on second, I don't even know or remember who DiMeola's drummer was (maybe it was this guy you mentioned?).

I like Kiss My Axe too, but don't know who the drummer is. I have tons of cd's but none of the booklets for them anymore (lost most of them.)

[NUTHA JASON]

stu
that arabian rudiment he does between ride and snare is so cool. he uses it a lot but with such excellent groove. the end of the alien chase song is very neat. cymbal work is exceptional.
j

[onemat]

Matt replies: It might have been Lenny White. He and AL were with Chick when I was on the crew in the summer of 1975. It seems to me Lenny toured with AL later. The bass player on the tiour was Stanley Clark...


You can get a longer sample on iTunes on DiMeola's "Anthology" album.

Nutha, I own that album, yet never knew that guy was the drummer. I just thought it was Steve Gadd.

I saw Al DiMeola, with Chick Corea's Elektric band in 1990 in Germany. Since Weckl was on second, I don't even know or remember who DiMeola's drummer was (maybe it was this guy you mentioned?).

I like Kiss My Axe too, but don't know who the drummer is. I have tons of cd's but none of the booklets for them anymore (lost most of them.)

[Drum4fun]

sorry if i double post a couple of drummers here:

the dude from the killers , Ronnie Vannucci , has some phat beats.

Jose Pasillas from Incubus is a class drummer, totally self taught - I dig his styles.

Carter Beauford.....seems to be well known by a few people in here, but he has got a beautiful approach to playing a kit.........i am totally envious!

Domonic from Muse - increadible band, and a very tight drummer.

and about a trillion more drummers out there who will never get the cred they deserve.

[Drum4fun]

I'm not a killers fan but Ronnie the drummer from The Killers is good and under-rated


oh crap......told you i would double post a name.

{:D

[RudimentalDrummer]

I guess all those drummers listed here are not really being under-rated cause you know them ... bros ...but just that- maybe not as popular as others ... and that's the real world ... isn't it?

PS: pls don't shoot me ...just my 2cent ...kekekeke

[Stu_Strib]

I guess all those drummers listed here are not really being under-rated cause you know them ... bros ...but just that- maybe not as popular as others ... and that's the real world ... isn't it?

PS: pls don't shoot me ...just my 2cent ...kekekeke

That's the whole point of the thread; discussion of drummers that are really good, but probably aren't as popular as they should be.

I personally know what is really good drumming right off the bat, but I usually don't know who it is, because good music tends to focus more on musicality and not clown like personalities.

By the way, I'd like to add Mr. Abts to the list from Gov't Mule. I was playing along today, and man is that guy rock solid. He's not super fancy, but he plays just the right groove and has a killer sound from those Slingerlands.

Stu

[largo61]

i think Phil Rudd fits this thread perfect. He is in two words Simple Perfection. Everything he does fits AC/DC perfect. He never does anything too fancy. He just does what the song asks for.

[NUTHA JASON]

i personally have never under-rated Mr. 'i-break-snare-drums' Phillip Rudd.

plus he likes paiste!
http://www.drummerworld.com/pics/drum/dpa29/phil-Rudd2.jpg

[Stu_Strib]

Mark Trojanowsi from Sister Hazel.

I love to see guys with traditional music chops that can break into mainstream. This guy is the anti-rock star, but man can he play. I'm glad he can keep it all in perspective and play good music for those of us who appreciate good music, over pop-crap sell-out doo doo.

I think even his band realizes they have a 'good thing' back on drums. In their dvd they seem to think that Mark is a tad over-qualified for his current gig. I for one am glad they have him.

[bigbang]

one guy that seems to get missed in all this talk of underrated drummers or great groove players is one of my personal favorites; al jackson jr. this guy has a pocket to end all pockets. check out some of his credits : booker t , sam and dave ,otis redding ,al green ,aretha franklin,wilson pickett ,issac hayes(chief),albert king,eric clapton just to name a small few .An incredible groove monster with more feel than humanly possible.Just listen to "let's stay together " by al green . ....unreal.....wayne

[presto123]

Scott Rockenfield of Queensryche has always been my under-rated drummer. Plays alot like Peart and is really fun to watch. Jerry Gaskill of King's X also. Groovemiester. Even though he has the wierdest style I've ever seen.

[Plook]

I think Toss Panos is a freak that I never hear mentioned. He's played with Keneally and Vai. I have a cd he did with a group called the Fire Merchants. He does this thing with the China and the snare, still can't figure the dam thing out.

Michael Bland. He played with Prince and the NPG from 1990-1997~. He is dam good.

Phillip Fisher formerly of Fishbone and now with Justin Timberlake also comes to mind.

[Jason Dorn]

Hell, you can come visit my house anytime :) I like your calls. Danny Heifetz is great, but if you're going to mention him you also have to get William Winant in there, they work so well together - probably the most creative drummer/percussionist pair I can think of.
Heifetz is amazing I'm listening to California right now. Heifetz and Winant are even more amazing live the interplay between them is unreal. Just noticed Fisher in the reply above Fisher and Heifetz definetly get my vote they are both incredible drummers with a style that crosses multiple genres that are not well known.

[Loyola lax]

Matt Tong from the band Bloc Party. He's pretty creative with the beats he uses.

[rendezvous_drummer]

Matt Tong from the band Bloc Party. He's pretty creative with the beats he uses.
Yes he bloody is! I love their CD and yea he's an amazing drummer.

[eliplaysdrums]

Josh Epperd from "Coheed and Cambria" is extremely under-rated. his playing is perfect in every song. Never overplaying and never underplaying (listen to "in keeping secrets of silent earth: 3" or "the crowing". I'm really anticipating there new CD. Also check out his Hip-Hop project "Weerd Science".

And "The Black Dahlia Murder"s new drummer Zach Gibson. Some amazing poly-rhythms and chops.


Eli

[FLounder]

MIke Bordin from faith no more, Unique style, super fast foot, and just beats the bag out of the drums, Faith no more was my favorite band to see live

[mellow]

I love Scott Phillips, the ex drummer of creed (I guess he plays in alter bridge now) he plays the beat but he also adds lots of little fills and cymbals crashes. he reminds me alot of my style of playing...he's one of those drummers that I look up to him alot.

[krazykenny5150]

Scott Underwood of Train, very very good music.


i also agree with Jeff Porcaro being a drummers drummer, many ppl listen to his drumming and ppl influeced by his drumming without knowing it.

[crazydrummer14]

william calhoun (Living Colour) is probably one of the most under-rated drummers out there
his beats and fills are amazing

[undertow]

didn’t read the whole thread but dave abruzze and josh freese for sure

I know I spelled both names wrong don’t have time to look them up …

[undertow]

the strokes ? cmon...

[bernard]

Damon Che (ex-Don Caballero)

absolutely incredible musician. the five Don Cab records are astounding, and you only need to go here (http://www.epitonic.com/artists/damonche.html) to listen to this MP3 (http://www.epitonic.com/files/reg/songs/mp3/Damon_Che-Oh_Suzanna.mp3) (the beautiful 'Oh, Suzanna' in which Che plays all instruments) to see what he's capable of.

[beat1212]

Kai Hahto from wintersun is definitly underated(atleast in the US he is.) he is in the band Wintersun. he doenst do like very complicated parts, though he does have some very challenging parts in certain songs) but the parts he has fit the music perfectly. he is very fast specialyl at double kick and he is very percise. also part of the reason SOME of his parts are not extrmely compmicated is because he does such lenghty songs that in order to play the parts flawlessly he has to make sure he can paly his parts perfectly. he a very musical drummer and he always thinks of the song.

he is also in a few otheprojects such as "Max and the Rox" and with his own group called "Rotten Sound". he also plays with a finish jazz singer,Bianca Morales.

[nursingdrummer]

hi all.....one serious cat that will not be underrated when the show Rockstar INXS is over is Nate Morton......who is this monster?....he has been the main reason for me watching the show...kickin' beats, groovy double bass, stick spins, and awesome taste.......the rest of the house band are truly scarry players as well.

[bald guy]

...hmmm... Scott Churilla w/The Reverend Horton Heat, smokin' drummer and FAST! Great thread.

[Ash]

Mike Joyce of The Smiths.Great tasteful drumming on 'Strangeways here we come.' .Danny from Mr Bungle for definate.A real cracker.

Hey Finnhiggins,If you like really lame guitar boys,have you heard of the dreadful James Blunt???? I nearly had to punch the screen when typing out his name then !!!!! What is going on? What the hell is going on? Don't know his drummer! LOL.

[T.L.]

Steve Williams is one of the the most underrated drummers out there: Most of you have probably never heard of him -- pick up a Shirley Horn album with Steve Williams on it to hear some of the swingingest, most tasteful jazz drumming ever.

[mlehnertz]

I wouldn't say he's under-rated.

william calhoun (Living Colour) is probably one of the most under-rated drummers out there
his beats and fills are amazing

[Funkateer]

I could not agree more with you, BigBang. I don't think Jackson is underated, it's just that kids today don't know about him, and Bernard Purdie, and Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey", Sly Dunbar, Carlton "Santa" Davis, and I could go on naming even more names but kids wouldn't know them. And I'm 17, so I what what my peers know about Funk, R&B, Reggea, Ska and Jazz, hardly anything.

[Smoky_McPot]

More unknown than anything else, Lucius Borich from Australian band Cog. He is a real good player and makes some really nice rhythms. If you like bands like Tool and APC you should check them out - www.cog.com.au - you can download thier 1st two EP's and it plays some of the tracks from thier latest album on the front page.

[toteman2]

i say this because I was not familiar with him, but recently i discoverd Sean Rickman...I watched this video and was in awe of his control, groove, and ideas...Not to mention he wrote every part in the song...Hope you enjoy...

http://www.coreyographed.com/movie.htm

[Ashton Drum's]

I think Doug Clifford from Creedence Clearwater Revival is another Under-rated Drummer I think hes a pretty good drummer has some good fills and songs

[canta]

Absolutely, the groove master, James Gadson is under rated.
We can listen to his groove from Motown such as Jackson5 to Donald Fagen's
Night Fly album.
I think he shoud be more famous.

[stapes2260]

Matt Abts from Gov't Mule is the most under-rated drummer I have ever seen. The man is incredible. His grooves, his technique, everything about his drumming is perfect. The only problem is, I haven't seen one other person mention him on this board!! Gov't Mule is a fairly unheard of band, its sort of a more focused and heavier version of the Allman Brothers. Very similar to Cream, Zeppelin, Mountain, and other great rock bands of the 60's, and 70's. I can highly recomend them to anyone who enjoys good ol rock bands. CHECK'EM OUT!!!!!!!!!



You hit the nail right on the head. Matt Abts is KILLER. He can jump from one style to another with amazing ease, and he's so relaxed when he's playing. Gov't Mule is one of the great rock bands of the past 10 years and they get very little press. Awesome stuff.

[mediocrefunkybeat]

I think there are three underrated drummers I would like to call to attention.

John Densmore of the Doors. A very solid and innovative drummer, whose stylistic interpretations of the blues and jazz combined to create a unique approach to what was some pretty avant-garde music at the time.

Michael Giles of King Crimson. The original King Crimson drummer, an exceptionally talented and again innovative jazz drummer crossing over to rock. His work on '21st Century Schizoid Man' to me is a piece of genius. And bloody hard too...

Andy Ward of Camel. One of the forefront progressive rock drummers of the 1970's; but unfortunately has since faded into obscurity after leaving Camel after suffering from bipolar disorder. Britain's Neil Peart (IMO). Listen to any work on Camel's first four albums and I think you will understand. His phrasing is exquisite and he plays with such finesse yet power at the same time. Superb snare, ride and hi-hat work especially. Top bloke.

[Krupamoon]

Tony Thompson of Chic/Power Station. He playe a very Metallic Funk!

[Cuauhtemoc]

I can think of two guys:

Eric Carr (RIP) of KISS who in my opinion was the best drummer that they ever worked with. He also played guitar, bass, keys and sang and you can hear a unique musicality in his playing. When watching old concert footage from the 80's he put such a different light on the classic songs and made them a lot heavier.

Also, not a well known cat but Ruben "Cougar" Estrada from the Estrade Brothers Latin Jazz band. They are local in Southern California and this guy is awesome. His handling and application of Latin rhythms to the kit along with his soloing ability are incredible. Also, he has a great sound

[drumbig]

well i don't see eric kretz on here anywhere he deserves a shout. i hope to see him in action again sometime.

[Thunder Of Drums]

Oh there a toooons out there...but Will Champion, Patrick Wilson, Eric Kretz (Stone Temple Pilots), who ever played in the Pearl Jam Ten album...yeah i dont even know his name-shows how underated he is, but thats got to be one of my favorite albums drum-wise, and whoever played with SoundGarden; just to name a few.

[Smoking Mirrors]

Unless they've changed since Oasis annoyed me so much I started completely ignoring them, it used to be Alan White. No, not that Alan White. The other Alan White. The one who plays for Oasis...


Zak Starkey played and toured a bit with The Who, - prior to playing with Oasis.

There's a DVD "The Who Live at The Albert Hall with Special Guests" (2001) ... His performance throughout the set is absolutely fantastic. Right up there with the legendary Keith Moon ....

The set itself is brilliant, guests include Paul Weller, Kelly Jones, Eddie Vedder, Brian Adams, Nigel Kennedy, .... and Noel Gallagher .... I guess that may have been where he met Zak .... ?

Highly recommend the DVD ... not so sure about the Oasis album though ...

Zak also played the fantastic gig The Who did at the Isle of Wight Festival last year

Zak is brilliant and certainly deserves to be listed on this site ! -

[insanedrummer]

Thunder Of Drums.................... The drummers from SoundGarden were Chris Cornell and Matt Cameron and your right they are both very under-rated drummers.

[geek_boy_in]

i definitely agree that The unknown drummer of Pearl Jam album Ten is really underrated .......... can someone please give me some details about this person ??

[Drummer_Boy]

i definitely agree that The unknown drummer of Pearl Jam album Ten is really underrated .......... can someone please give me some details about this person ??

That drummer is Jack Irons. He used to play with Red Hot Chilli Peppers,too, I think. I like his playing on that album myself. My favorite under-rated drummer is probably Barrett Martin, of the Screaming Trees. I like his drumming.

[mediocrefunkybeat]

Jack Irons is just awesome. He has a few solo albums out and they are supposed to be very good. A brilliant all round musician and excellent drummer.

[Drummer_Boy]

ooh..Jack Irons solo albums..I should check that out...

[franklinj]

one of the most under rated drummers, id say, would have to be travis barker...

just kidding (ducks fire from potato launchers filled with drumsticks)

[aahznightsky]

Jeff Pocaro


amazing studio work. I don't think he got the recognition he deserved.


Mmmm.

[NouveauCliche]

Jeff Pocaro


amazing studio work. I don't think he got the recognition he deserved.


Mmmm.


I agree that he was incredible....but as long as I've been playing, I've heard of Jeff Porcaro as a venerable legend ranked amongst the best of all drummers. So...I'm not sure if I was just listening to the right people, or he actually got quite a decent amount of recognition.

Either way...He's one of the greats and deserved to be mentioned any time anyone speaks of great drummers past and present.

[sabian_aax]

the underrated drummers for me is brad wilk from ratm and audioslave,jose pasillas from incubus,dominic howard from the muse, daniel adair from three doors down now playin with nickelback.

[andmoreagain]

Nick Mason! Get Live at Pompeii and see what I mean... and if you can't appreciate his playing, there is little help left for you.

So very melodic

[Womble]

Jeff Pocaro


amazing studio work. I don't think he got the recognition he deserved.


Mmmm.

Funny, I would have said it would be hard for Jeff to get any more recognition. The man is an absolute legend, and basically every single drummer I've ever spoken to knows that. And don't forget the massive exposure he got through TOTO; they're still huge in France...lol. I think the reason you don't see much discussion about him on this site is that no one would have anything to argue about! He always grooved, he always played with taste, he always played for the song...you just couldn't fault the guy. The only likely discussion we could have about him would be 'What are your favourite Jeff moments?'.

[DrumGod]

I know Matt Sorum can tear the kit appart, but is very reserved when playing in GNR, Slashes Snake Pit, on Velvet Rovolver...


HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!! HE Great listen to slashes snakpit "its five o clock somewhere" that album is sick

[ElGonzi]

boris williams, formerly of the cure. his drum beats are easy to play but most of them are unique.

Yeah! I totally agree with JookBox, Williams has some fantastic drumming on albums like Disintegration and Wish.
Another great is Matt Chamberlain...

[skippy]

i was to lazy to read the whole thing but the drummer for medeski martin and wood(billy martin) hes got a page on her that guy is sick.

[Reflux own your mum]

Blake Richardson (Glass Casket (http://www.purevolume.com/glasscasket) and the new Between the Buried and Me (http://www.purevolume.com/betweentheburiedandme) Album Alaska)
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[rendezvous_drummer]

Larry Mullen Jr.
Aaron Solowoniuk
Dean Butterworth
Steve Gillis

[greygoose]

I would say

ben gillies
dale crover
doug clifford
Marky Ramone
Tommy Ramone
Richie ramone
and who ever it is that drums for the doors

[Danny]

Greygoose...it's John Densmore...

...John Densmore of the Doors. A very solid and innovative drummer, whose stylistic interpretations of the blues and jazz combined to create a unique approach to what was some pretty avant-garde music at the time....

[finnhiggins]

That drummer is Jack Irons. He used to play with Red Hot Chilli Peppers,too, I think. I like his playing on that album myself. My favorite under-rated drummer is probably Barrett Martin, of the Screaming Trees. I like his drumming.

Alert - this is wrong. "Ten" was Dave Grusin, who was followed in Pearl Jam by Matt Chamberlain for a short period. Matt didn't play on any records, but he's the drummer in the video for "Alive". After he left he was replaced by Dave Abrusezze (spelling?), who played on a couple of albums before Jack Irons joined for "No Code". Jack was then replaced by Matt Cameron, ex of Soundgarden.

Pearl Jam have had an awful lot of drummers. I believe Eddie Vedder has a reputation for being kind of hard to get along with... Would never imagine that...

[Slayer_metal_head]

To me an underrated drummer is Bill Ward from black sabbath he is an amazing drummer

[Dannar]

Steve Gorman from The Black Crowes
Henry Garza from Los Lonely Boys

[T.Underhill]

W. Calhoun, Todd Sucherman, and Eric Carr.

[SleightOfHand]

Lars Ulrich gets a bad rap these days.

[sideshowant]

Under-rated drummers i'll have to go with Mike Justain form unearth, and good ole Adam D from killswitch Engage. Mike is sick in everything he does in my opinion. quick feet hands and in pocket. Adam D was on Alive or Just Breathing, and he played lead guitar. an all around an incredible musician and good drummer. i was shocked to find out that he was the one who laid down the tracks in that album. he also did a few on The End of Heartache. and produced the latest unearth alum. SICK!

[King Crimson]

Barrymore Barlow.

Jethro Tull.

Was on Robert Plant's "The Principle Of Moments" also.

[Slayer_metal_head]

Yeah i was watching a metallica DVD and Lars is actually pretty good live i dot understand why people bash but i do admit he definately is not one of the drum ledgends but he fits the music

[Slayer_metal_head]

one of the most under rated drummers, id say, would have to be travis barker...

just kidding (ducks fire from potato launchers filled with drumsticks)

Have you ever used of seen a potatoe gun (the long tube you put hairspray then a potatoe in) those things are awesome we hit a tree with one of those at our cottage.

[Stu_Strib]

Jeff Pocaro


amazing studio work. I don't think he got the recognition he deserved.


Mmmm.


Yeah, poor Jeff lived and thrived during a very, ermmm, shall we say, tacky era for music?
Had he been around past the mid 90s i think he'd be one of those tier 1 drummers we talk about on DVD and clinic.

Well, all except for that gruff New Yoiker accent (only Dom Famularo can pull that one off, heeh)

[bigbang]

Jeff Pocaro


amazing studio work. I don't think he got the recognition he deserved.


Mmmm.
I don't think he's really under-rated, alot of guys still talk about him very fondly,maybe a little forgotten in some of the younger players circles.I like to mention Eric Kratz too,I recently played with a STP tribute band and his style is very fun to play : real good feel and interesting ideas.

[Skylane]

Poppa Jo Jones is one of the most underrated and one of the best drummers of all time.

[Mr. Chris]

Larry Mullen's a competent drummer, but really, anyone can cover his stuff. The guy with Coldplay gets better with each album and the guy with Linkin Park is good too. But they're all well known. For a seriously underrated drummer here's someone you've probably never heard of: Gary Mallaber. Check out his discography! Some classic stuff there.

[fam]

I noticed only a couple of people mentioned Jerry Gaskill (Kings X). I think this guy is a rhythm machine, a great in the pocket drummer. I would suggest checking him out, particularly the Dogman cd, he just grooves!

[KR3]

Phil Levitt of the band Dada. Underrated as a band too.

[icystyck]

I always thought Manu Katche was a pretty under-rated drummer, he has a great style and never got the credit he deserves for his work with sting.

[Jookbox]

Bjork's old band called the Sugarcubes had a really good drummer. i think his name was 'Siggi'. whoever has been drumming PJ harvey's albums, especially the older stuff, is amazing.

[ElvinBaRkerDennis13]

Stewart Copeland
Don Henley
Peter Gabriel
the drummer from dire straits

[hardhitter]

I would have to say Chad Ronald Sexton. He plays with 311. The older 311 stuff is really good I have played with him and he is a really amazing drummer !

As for the coldplay thing going on here I don't think this the place to be posting stuff bashing drummers.

[TOMANO]

To me an underrated drummer is Bill Ward from black sabbath he is an amazing drummer

HEAR! HEAR!

Bill Ward's playing with Sabbath is incredible.

Other underrated drummers:

Andy Newmark - His work with Sly & The Family Stone and Roxy Music is some of the most musical drumming I've ever heard.

Budgie - From Siouxsie & The Banshees and The Creatures. He is a powerhouse and plays some very interesting stuff. Check him out if you haven't already.

Paul Thompson - Original Roxy Music drummer. His work on the "Siren" album greatly influenced me as a young drummer.

TOMANO

[CCdrummer]

Clifford Hoad from a great band that nobody really knows about. If you can check out his drumming on the "Kings of the Sun" Cd, full frontal attack.(if you can find it) The title pretty much explains how he plays the drums.

[CCdrummer]

Thanks for the info about chamberlain, I always wondered who it was putting all that tasty stuff into Liz Phair songs.

[JPDrum]

I am curious to know who you folks think are some of the more underrated drummers and why. If possible please give a reference to a recording that can be looked into. These are the guys who you don't read about in the drum magazines all the time that I'm looking for.

The first that often comes to mind for me is Bob Bemberg from Supertramp. Simply listen to his playing on "Breakfast In America" and you'll see what I mean. He plays for the song without overplaying. Regardless of how fast or slow the groove always seems right.

The next is Nigel Olsson from Elton John's early days. I have a number of Elton John recordings with Nigel on them and the best, to my liking, are "11-17-70" and "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road". He is one of the best ballad playing drummers around. Even when it is a slow song, it always seems to have a great feel. On "11-17-70" it is just piano, bass and drums, so you really get a chance hear Nigel shine even though the drums are kind of dead sounding due to be played in a small studio. Nigel plays his butt off and does a ton back backing vocals which to me is very difficult. Singing drummers are a scant few and he does it very well. On the "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road" album Nigel's playing on is quite varied. Listen to "Benny And The Jets". Not a single cymbal crash. His playing on "Funeral For A Friend" drives and drives and drives that piece. "All The Young Girls Love Alice" and "Danny Bailey" have a great groove feel even with their varied tempo changes.

Please let me know what you think!

J P Lapp

[46and2]

Martin Lopez of Opeth for sure. He is phenominal and not many people are aware of the skills that he hones.

[toolskid]

Martin France from London....killer player

[Togg]

I agree, Nigel and Bob were both big influences on me years ago, but then so were these guys, Nick Mason, Mick Fleetwood, Liberty De Vito, and Don Henley.

Roger Taylor was the biggest influence and I guess as his influence was Bonham, then in turn so was mine, but all those other guys are great and often overlooked, even people like Karen Carpenter have a strong place in my heart and influenced me a lot.

I saw Don Henley play with the Eagles for the first time in 96, and all those memories came back, his sound was so right for those songs, he spent days in the studio just tryingto get a bass drum sound before the others arrived, fantastic.

[foursticks]

nick mason and mick fleetwood, both great drummers but waay too under-rated IMO

[Class A Drummer]

Tom Teasly. He is sponsored by vic firth and hes amazing. But my drum teacher happens to be way better then him. He is better then an large portion of drummers on drummerworld. In my new drum book "steve gadd up close" it has a solo in it. He is like "hey look a solo i wonder how hard it is" Then he goes and plays it perfectly on his first try. Insane
http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7204

[rendezvous_drummer]

John Lever is very under-rated as well as his band The Chameleons.

[Stu_Strib]

Thanks for the info about chamberlain, I always wondered who it was putting all that tasty stuff into Liz Phair songs.

(and Faith Hill songs, and Sara Evans songs, and John Mayer songs, and Macey Gray songs, and Kanye West songs, and Christina Aquillera songs, and Wallflowers songs, and.. and.. and..)

Can you tell I'm a big fan?

[shuffle]

The album "mystical adventures", from Jean-Luc Ponty, is one my personal favorite drum albums. It is performed by Rayford Griffin.

I am not very much into jazz, and to my regret, it is the only Griffin's album I am aware of.

A very solid perfomance, which didn't get much exposure, as with lots of jazz albums.

I think there are many many under-rated jazz drummers nowadays.

[Backwards Marathon]

The guy from oasis is pretty good

[T-1000]

That guy, oh what is his name, what is his name...

Oh yes, 'Buddy'...'Wealthy'? No, that's not right. 'Buddy'...'Financially In A More Than Stable Situation'? Hmmm...nope, that just doesn't sound right.

Wait...I've got it!! I think his name was 'Buddy Rich'. Has anyone heard of him? Pretty underated guy.

[tambian89]

Guys like: Will Champion from Coldplay, Larry Mullin Jr. from U2, Fab Morretti of The Strokes, and Rob Bourdin (sp?) from Linkin Park

Rob Bourdin deserves to be unrecognized. I think Sean Kinney is way underrated.

- Marc

[Guinness]

Jeremy Taggart.

This guy is a sensational drummer. Anybody who has listened to his earlier stuff should certainly agree. Naveed and Happiness is not a Fish That You Can Catch are just two of Our Lady Peace's albums that showcase some of the best of this guys abilities. Jeremy applies a deep understanding of Jazz principles to his drumming. I think it's awesome. Just check it out and tell me you don't agree that he is greatly underestimated.

[rendezvous_drummer]

Jeff Burrows of Tea Party (RIP, One of the greatest canadian bands ever) is pretty damn under-rated. A great rock drummer.

[Edwardo]

jerome dillon (former drummer of nine inch nails) is a severly underated drummer. the way he has transformed nin's heavy electric sound into live sets is amazing, and i think he would be a great addition to this amazing website!!

[montoid]

Hi guys, back on the kit after many years away.

Don't want to be a "neg-head" BUT, are you sure about these Larry Mullin props?

Personally, when ever I see U2 I can't help thinking that there goes one lucky guy! (apart from having to stand in deserts alot and not smiling). "Lumpy" is the word that springs to mind.

Anyway, what do I know. That Primus drummer sits nicely in the back but sounds vibrant, and, err, Steve Jansen of Japan (inspirational) and say, maybe Budgie from Siouxsie and the Banshees (too cool) to name a few of the top of my head . . .

[montoid]

Oh yeah, and that guy out of BATTLES, new form creativity that is PART of the overall sound NOT sticking out

[t-bone]

randy cooke......canada's best kept drumming secret.....

god, i can't even think of all the artists he's played with.....but here's the ones off of the top of my head....kim mitchell....rik emmett....lee aaron....beveley mahood....long john baldry....hilary duff.....kelly clarkson....the pointer sisters....figgy duff......andy curran.....honeymoon suite......

he's got a resume as long as your arm and mine put together

[deadbirdsoup]

probably someone like travis barker or joey jordison....? but seriously, larry mullen may not play the most complex riffs but hes no meg white, listen closley to some of his stuff as he started of pipe drumming so its a heavy influence in his playing. also rob bourdon - linkin park is a bit of the same, just keeps it simple, but then again he wouldnt be with that big of band if he was crap.

[mek55]

Bob Burns, eloqunt, musical, stylisc, and rocks! (Sweet Home Alabama)

[t-bone]

Larry Mullen's a competent drummer, but really, anyone can cover his stuff. The guy with Coldplay gets better with each album and the guy with Linkin Park is good too. But they're all well known. For a seriously underrated drummer here's someone you've probably never heard of: Gary Mallaber. Check out his discography! Some classic stuff there.

gary mallabar....good call......he played some the most memorable drum parts ever!!

listen to " swingtown" or " take the money and run"......or that big broken crash cymbal in " rock'n' me" by the steve miller band.......

i had totally forgotten about him....tasty player..........

[Stu_Strib]

Bob Bemberg from Supertramp. ...

Nigel Olsson from Elton John's early days.

J P Lapp

Yeah, you never really think of guys like that! What about the guy from Billy Joel's early stuff (is it Liberty DeVito?). Didn't the Supertramp drummer sing as well?

And what about both of Tom Petty's drummers (or did I already mention them). Steve Ferrone is the poster-drummer for underrated drummers.

As for Larry Mullen Jr. Does he play on the version of "One" by Mary J. Blige? I think that is a really good drum part, but I dont' know if it is him or Mary J.s session drummer.

[ElvinBaRkerDennis13]

nick mason and mick fleetwood, both great drummers but waay too under-rated IMO
i was just thinkin about mick fleetwood being not necessarily underrated, but maybe just not heard of really, he is a tremendous drummer, plays exactly what the song needs, just no one maybe listens to enough mac? i dunno, i love them though. nick masoin must be underrated though...who does he drum for?
tj

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

Nick Mason = Pink Floyd. Great guy, good, good drummer. Restrained enough on his big kit, perfect for the Floyd.

[jonescrusher]

Nick Mason = Pink Floyd. Great guy, good, good drummer. Restrained enough on his big kit, perfect for the Floyd.

I remember seeing him in an ad, think he'd changed to DW, it was the biggest kit i'd ever seen, yet i'm struggling to recall ever hearing him play a chop. He's certainly never been guilty of overplaying. I agree that, as a member of possibly the biggest band of all time, he's grossly 'under-recognised'. Grew up in Dell Quay, my neck of the woods, cheers to that.

[MSUMetal]

I would say Chad Kent is the most underrated drummer I know....well I guess I can't say I've heard anything bad about him, just that noone has really heard of him to say anything other than fans of Atomship.

I really like Chimaira's 2 drummers, especially the one off of their self titled album. Heard good things about him once or twice on this forum, and thats about the end of what I've heard of him.

I guess my guys arent underrated, just not talked about more or less.

[LinearDrummer]

I always thought Manu Katche was a pretty under-rated drummer, he has a great style and never got the credit he deserves for his work with sting.

Nice choice...He sounded really nice on that "Burnin for Buddy" CD...

Sonny Emory - anyone who has gone to PIT in Hollywood can tell you how good he is....
He can groove - has tremendous chops and alot of flash and stick-twirlin...Unfortunately he mostly a studio muscian so hes kinda a secret to most....

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

I remember seeing him in an ad, think he'd changed to DW, it was the biggest kit i'd ever seen, yet i'm struggling to recall ever hearing him play a chop. He's certainly never been guilty of overplaying. I agree that, as a member of possibly the biggest band of all time, he's grossly 'under-recognised'. Grew up in Dell Quay, my neck of the woods, cheers to that.

I have almost the entire Pink Floyd catalogue. No, he never once plays what I regard as a 'chop'. He uses the whole kit, definately, but never ad nauseam or in extremis. He's a good guy too, signed his book to me personally and has a good head on his shoulders. Musical, tasteful and everything I'd ever aspire to be in a drummer. Simple parts, played well.

[photon]

Pete Thomas from Elvis Costello's band the Attractions....

Listen to the song "B Movie" from the album Get Happy to get a glimpse into what this guy is capable of........

Actually the whole band that Costello had back in the day just rocked.............

[jbomber]

What about Jon Fishman of Phish? I know there's a stigma of negativity around endlessly touring jam bands like Moe, the Dead and Phish, but for some of us, it's not just the "scene" that draws us in...

(it's the music)

Check him out on tracks like "Guyute", "David Bowie" or "Reba". Ridiculous time changes, subtle fills, light, but articulate use of a very diverse kit. Oh yeah, some people love him on "YEM" too. In the pocket, check our his funky grooves on tracks like "Ghost", "Momadance" and "Sand". What? He can do superb bluegrass, reggae, and jazz too? You bet.

Aside from Phish, he sometimes also tours and records with the Jazz Mandolin project.

J

[LiveGoat]

George Hurley of Minutemen and Firehose.

---LG

[Wile E. Coyote]

As for Tori, well, I guess I'm not the right demographic, because I don't get anything she's singing. Like you said, she's got a good voice, but her songs might as well be in Swedish, because I have no clue what's going on! It reminds me of Jewel, but without the radio-friendly edge to it.
I can tell it's not Swedish... hehehehehe I would understand the lyrics a bit better, though I'm not Swedish either!
But I must say that I like her music pretty much. Weird things going on in her songs. And of course... Chamberlain is just great! He grooves, and his live sound is just too much!!

[relyc]

I'm kind of partial to Adam Topol of Jack Johnson's band. He plays a lot of similar stuff but always manages to spice it up just a bit to make it interesting. I also love his sounds; dark and warm and pleasant to listen to. Oh, and Will Champion completely. If Dave Grohl says you're a great drummer- well, then you've got something, haven't you?!

cheers.

[toteman2]

Well my last "most under-rated drummer" (Sean Rickman) is now up on the DW site...Let's try and go 2 for 2...

Pete Drummond is INSANE! I've recently been checking out his stuff, and good god can he play...

Here are some cool examples from his site...petedrummond.com

http://www.petedrummond.com/sounds/SOUND_Groove.mp3
http://www.petedrummond.com/sounds/SOUND_Solo1.mp3
http://www.petedrummond.com/sounds/SOUND_Solo2.mp3



this other example is a totally different style from the first...It's like Mike Portnoy on steroids...
http://www.petedrummond.com/sounds/SOUND_On.mp3

What's up with Australia? There must be something in the water down there because they sure do spawn some amazing drummers...

[Rickenbacker]

Mike Portnoy is often mentioned on those "MOST OVERRATED" topics. He has a fame coming from DT, for his "easily understandable, mimicable progressive grooves and fills" among young drummers.
MP's forum has always been the hottest among drummers' personal website, why is he underrated?

For phil selway, I really have something to say.
I used to be a fanatic for radiohead. But i found that phil is just lucky to get his bread and butter for playing for Radiohead. His skills really does not match his position:
Reasons:
1.Listen to his songs just like "creep" or something, he plays the hihat sooo "stiff" that even sounds like a drum program, rather than a real human drummer playing... obviously that's what a studio newbie doing when being nervous and afraid to make mistakes.
2. on one of their 2 disk live album, i already forgot name. before a song, he plays a stick click 1-2-3-4 to set a tempo. Very easy to tell he started too fast and just slowed down at 3-4. Poor feel for tempo.
3.same albume, the live version "just" ..... holly sh!t that was a mess... poor control
4. have u ever listen to their studio version "just"? pretty cool song, i love it.
however, phil once in an interview said "just" was a song that brings him to the "top" in recording.... compared to other songs, yes, "just" is a bit more complicated. but everyone believes for ANY studio/session drummers that can be a true piece of cake. But in this track u can also feel that phil has less confident to play it with more "moving dynamics". Just another programmed machine, very nervous to "catch up" the song not to screw it up.

Why phil stays unnoticed? Becos he know as a drummer of his level, that he is already lucky enough to tour on a world level, sell millions of records.




Have you ever thought it is perhapse any kind of "own style"?
But his unmoveable face with the closed eyes during the whole song (whatever he plays)... well he is the robot... but well closed and very sensible to what he actually does.

[tentpole]

Lester Estelle is a good drummer.(He's from the band Pillar)

[kzdruma]

i was just thinkin about mick fleetwood being not necessarily underrated, but maybe just not heard of really, he is a tremendous drummer, plays exactly what the song needs, just no one maybe listens to enough mac? i dunno, i love them though. nick masoin must be underrated though...who does he drum for?
tj
I Looooooove mick fleetwood!!!

[kacperivo]

Jacek Olter. Great Polish drummer. He had many interesting musical ideas, and pretty sweet groove. Died tragically, but left some great recordings of his rhythms, which were used to resurrect him last year on "OLTER" cd/dvd.

I would recommend it to you, although it's maybe not the type of music which suits everyone's taste (if there ever was one:)).

[fullmoon]

the drummer from chevelle is highly under-rated check out his stuff on their first album it was amazing

[Drummin Drew 1]

i forgot his name but the drummer for audioslave

[JammingJeff]

Brad Wilk is the drummer for Audioslave (and Rage Against the Machine).
He is great although I personally like his style in Rage better.

[Pedey]

the drummer from chevelle is highly under-rated check out his stuff on their first album it was amazing


i agree! Also the drummer form Living Sacrifice, very creative.

[torben]

Martin Lopez of Opeth for sure. He is phenominal and not many people are aware of the skills that he hones.


Yes, He is an amazing drummer... one of my favourites as well actually...
Anyone who is not afraid of a bit of growling should listens to the drumming on: Still Life (album)

(He's left Opeth now though)

[Deathmetalconga]

My vote is for Phil Rudd. He's not for people with high foreheads, but he does solid work that meets the demands of the music and he has no artistic pretense whatsoever.

Next would be Milford Graves - maybe he's more overlooked than underrated.

www.terrasonus.com

[Pete Stoltman]

I'm sure the topic of "underrated/overlooked" has come up before but it's sometimes nice to revive an old topic and get some fresh perspectives. The mention of Harold Jones got my attention. I was fortunate to see Harold play with the Count on several occasions and he was terrific. He had an interesting habit of kind of snapping his head to one side when he hit a big accent that looked really cool. I think I'll also add one of my drum heros Roy McCurdy who played with Cannonball Adderly after the quintessential Louis Hayes.

[lungfull]

heres a couple

Chriss Pennie - the dillinger escape plan
J.P - Clutch
Dan Ford - Sikth

[Guillermo]

Even if these guys are famous and renowned, they seem to be acknowledged by the drumming community less than they should OR for the wrong reasons.

Dannie Richmond- His playing was always exhilerating... incredible versaitily, very uncommon, specially at the time he did most of his sessions... he's still around and nobody talks about him that much... guys with FAR LESS contributions are more recognized than him.

Billy Higgins-As a drummer, composer and band leader his work was always tasteful and top notch technically... he did was involved in so much groundbreaking music in jazz finest hours... yet his passing went almost unnoticed.

Chad Wackerman-ask anyone about guys on the chair with Zappa and immediately Terry and Vinny come up... yet it is Wackerman who held the post the longest... somehow he's become typecasted as a"zappa drummer"... man, he did that so many years ago, and there is this young guy with amazing talent that has continued to grow, and he is somehow noticed just as a clinician and endorser of products with the "Frank Zappa" tag next to him... he is amazing, he should be everywhere.


Others I have always felt have not been as recognized as they should:

Levon Helm
Chester Thompson

[Pocketman]

I second some of the guys previously listed

Joey Kramer - Tasty, Groovy, Great Chops to when he lets loose

Levon Helm - A lot of soul in his playing. Very "Deep" Drumming

Steve Jordan - So funky and loose.

Art Taylor - RIP. Great jazz drummer. Listen to his playing on the 'Giant Steps' record.

Robbie McIntosh - RIP AWB first drummer. Check out his playing on You Tube videos. I was impressed how light and funky his playing was.

Chester Thompson - Although he is mostly know for his work with Phil Collins and Genesis, please check out his playing on Zappa's 'One Size Fits All' record. He is awesome!

[aahznightsky]

I second the Joey Kramer vote. Although its possible that I just missed all his attention seeing as I was born in 1989.

[geek_boy_in]

actually its a bit oxymoronic .... though many names of drummers "who i like but you don't" are coming to my mind .. but the fact that I know about them staying in their opposite corner of the world actually makes them sort of something more favorable than categorising them "most underrated" ............

I would actually talk about my drum teacher of being underrated ... he is amazing but he is not even talked about outside my city.

btw .. whats all the Ringo bashing all about ?? .... am sure there were some reasons more than "brotherhood" to keep him in the band .... am guessing John Lennon and Paul had better credibility and musical sense then some so called posters in this forum to make a judgement about the time keeper of a professional and monetarily rich (read money) band ....

[Lee Mangano]

Just about all the Studio Drummers in the world are underated...and my hats off to them for their humble success....not many realizes all the hard work, schooling & hours they put in to get were they are to become successful studio players. The most difficult job a drummer can have.

Every session requires them to feel differant styles & grooves & read charts off the cuff... chart reading alone is an art form that only a small dedicated percentage of drummers can & will persue to ace the course because of its difficulty, then not to mention your recording a record with musicians you only met an hour ago...

Studio time is very expensive so you better really know your stuff...For example, drummers such as Harvey Mason have recorded on as many as over 200+ records to name one of the best studio drummers in the world... he has been on covers of major Drum Mags ect..and is recognized... but I still think he among all the other studio musicians are without a doubt the most underated drummers in the world...

You all have a Great day,,,,Lee

That talent

[pudgytheclown]

I'm kind of partial to Adam Topol of Jack Johnson's band. He plays a lot of similar stuff but always manages to spice it up just a bit to make it interesting. I also love his sounds; dark and warm and pleasant to listen to. Oh, and Will Champion completely. If Dave Grohl says you're a great drummer- well, then you've got something, haven't you?!

cheers.
you are so right i love Adams drumming on the brush fire fairytails album. He can really spice up some of those songs with some really cool and solid bell beats. I think every one should hear him at least once.

[onemat]

Charlie Adams. Poor Charlie always gets linked with Yanni. I've studied with him and he has an amazing range of chops not illustrated in the Yanni thing.

[jollymosher]

i would say ben graves i really like how he brings tom beats and cowbell to horror punk.

[sgt.pepper1986]

Nick Mason of Pink Floyd
John Densmore of The Doors
Danny Seraphine of Chicago
Jim Keltner- session drummer etc.
Larry Mullen Jr. of U2
Sib Hashian of Boston
Abe Laboriel Jr. of Paul McCartney

[rendezvous_drummer]

Larry Mullen Jr. is DEFINITELY under-rated! No question about it.
Hmmm who else...
Chad Kent- Atomship
Dude from Chevelle
Neil Peart- Rush
Chad Butler- Switchfoot
Michael Ewacha- Me

[radiofriendlyunitshifter]

i don't know if he's been mentioned already, but taylor hawkins of the foo fighters is a

pretty good drummer that is under-rated in my opinion. i haven't heard his work on "in

your honor" but his stuff on "there is nothing left to lose" is very nice. as is "colour and

the shape". the drumming on "one by one" is ok... it leaves a bit to be desired.

[imperfect gentleman]

ronnie vanucci - the killers

mick (woody) woodmansey - bowie's spiders from mars

dennis davis - bowie (he was on station to station and scary monsters... i apologize if i spelled it wrong)

steve fogarino - interpol

steven morris - joy division/new order

i know he's well known, but i thoroughly enjoyed bill bruford's work in king crimson... especially discipline, beat, and three of a perfect pair

[rendezvous_drummer]

ronnie vanucci - the killers

mick (woody) woodmansey - bowie's spiders from mars

dennis davis - bowie (he was on station to station and scary monsters... i apologize if i spelled it wrong)

steve fogarino - interpol

steven morris - joy division/new order

i know he's well known, but i thoroughly enjoyed bill bruford's work in king crimson... especially discipline, beat, and three of a perfect pair
I can't believe I forgot these two guys!

Haha thanks Wile E. Coyote.

[chathamight]

John Stanier of Helmet, Battles, Tomahawk and Mark of Cain.
Also, Claude Coleman Jr. of Ween. He came back from a severe car accident paralyzed, yet recovered and is rocking even better now, some would attribute.

[imperfect gentleman]

this was posted by mikkeydave

1.Listen to his songs just like "creep" or something, he plays the hihat sooo "stiff" that even sounds like a drum program, rather than a real human drummer playing... obviously that's what a studio newbie doing when being nervous and afraid to make mistakes.
2. on one of their 2 disk live album, i already forgot name. before a song, he plays a stick click 1-2-3-4 to set a tempo. Very easy to tell he started too fast and just slowed down at 3-4. Poor feel for tempo.
3.same albume, the live version "just" ..... holly sh!t that was a mess... poor control
4. have u ever listen to their studio version "just"? pretty cool song, i love it.
however, phil once in an interview said "just" was a song that brings him to the "top" in recording.... compared to other songs, yes, "just" is a bit more complicated. but everyone believes for ANY studio/session drummers that can be a true piece of cake. But in this track u can also feel that phil has less confident to play it with more "moving dynamics". Just another programmed machine, very nervous to "catch up" the song not to screw it up.

live situations are always a disaster waiting to happen.

with the common men... my drummer sometimes plays at a tempo slower or faster than what the clicked intro is... oh well... it happens...

in fact... some press has labeled our shows as violently entertaining trainwrecks... where sometimes the only thing holding the show together is the audience's applause.

i guess i'm different when it comes to my live performances... i like some unknown... so rawness... even loss of control in the name of emoting a song.

also... there is nothing wrong with sounding like a programmed machine. in the band i druym in... razorblade monalisa... my goal is to sound mechanical more than half the time... it's what the music calls for.

[badlydubbedsean]

Andy Burrows of Razorlight, he is very creative and good live. Razorlight are one all time classic band.

[jonescrusher]

Andy Burrows of Razorlight, he is very creative and good live. Razorlight are one all time classic band.


Meh, debatable on that last point. but agreed, he plays some nice ride figures on that new single, though why Razorlight should be singing about trouble in America seems a touch odd. Playing up to the U.S. market?

[Pinner]

Leonard Haze = Y & T =Yesterday & Today
Rob Reiner = Anvil = Canadians


There are so many great studio drummers out there recording and most people don't even know their names.


One day I am going to go to Mississippi and see the real Jazz with real heart and soul.

[-Ryco]

And what about both of Tom Petty's drummers (or did I already mention them). Steve Ferrone is the poster-drummer for underrated drummers.
Here, here! Watch TP&HB Live at the Olympic DVD. Ferrone lays a pocket a mile wide and just as deep! The guy plays so smooooooth and effortlessly. Phenomenal!

Also a big Stan Lynch fan! Too bad there isn't a page on him here on the Drummerworld home page. Very simple and right on. Good back up singer as well!

Another drummer I like is Kevin Ellman who used to play with Todd in the first incarnation of Utopia. Also Willie Wilcox who replaced Ellman - very good technique and a good singer.

[rendezvous_drummer]

It may be just me, but I don't think Antonio Sanchez recieves the recognition that he deserves. I don't see much people talk about him. I saw him in a clinic just a week ago, and I was in awe. Such a great drummer and nice guy. I won a free Yamaha T-shirt at the clinic : D

[tonedef]

I'm not sure if anyone's heard of far and I don't know his name but he is totally under rated . I saw them play once and WOW that guy can play

[Wile E. Coyote]

It may be just me, but I don't think Antonio Sanchez recieves the recognition that he deserves. I don't see much people talk about him. I saw him in a clinic just a week ago, and I was in awe. Such a great drummer and nice guy. I won a free Yamaha T-shirt at the clinic : D
I think I agree with you. He's not often mentioned among the masters, and he definitely deserves that.

The fact that he gave you that T-shirt is more than enough for me to respect him. LOL

[5150]

Well my last "most under-rated drummer" (Sean Rickman) is now up on the DW site...Let's try and go 2 for 2...

Pete Drummond is INSANE! I've recently been checking out his stuff, and good god can he play...

Here are some cool examples from his site...petedrummond.com

http://www.petedrummond.com/sounds/SOUND_Groove.mp3
http://www.petedrummond.com/sounds/SOUND_Solo1.mp3
http://www.petedrummond.com/sounds/SOUND_Solo2.mp3



this other example is a totally different style from the first...It's like Mike Portnoy on steroids...
http://www.petedrummond.com/sounds/SOUND_On.mp3

What's up with Australia? There must be something in the water down there because they sure do spawn some amazing drummers...
Pete Drummond is a personal friend ... he actually has a new CD on its way - finished mastering just yesterday ... one word - INSANE. :)

[rendezvous_drummer]

I think I agree with you. He's not often mentioned among the masters, and he definitely deserves that.

The fact that he gave you that T-shirt is more than enough for me to respect him. LOL
Totally man! I jumped up and yelled "YEAH"! when I got it. He's such an amazing drummer, and even before the clinic I didn't know much about him except that he was really into latin music. I was completely blown away. There's a song he does with a band (I cannot remember the name, DAMN). Anyways, the song is 56 minutes long! He was tellin the audience about how he can remember the entire song. It was amazing.

I never hear much about Vinnie Cailuta either. What has he been up to?

[Drum-Head]

Derek Roddy came to mind, then Dave DiCenso also came to mind, but I'm a bit confused here...

To me, being underrated doesn't have much to do with being well known or not. I see underrated as being considered not as good as the judged element (in this case; a drummer) really is. We all know what being famous or not means.

Am I misunderstanding something? I've been away from england for so long...


Regards,
Christopher.

[jazzin']

I've always thought Colin Bailey to be under-rated. He's one of the true musical players running around now, his phrasing is just beautiful.
He's also insanely technically accomplished. But, his phrasing ideas are where it's at for me. His bass drum playing really brought home, to me anyway, just how well (the amount it's used and how tasteful it can be when used correctly) it can be used as a third limb and stepped up my use of the bass drum in both comping and fill/solo phrasing.
Roy Haynes as a leader as well (although this is debatable, but so many drummers never really get their just deserves as leaders. Roy is just one). Some of his albums are just...whoa! Out of the afternoon comes directly to mind as one of my all time favourites. Just so swinging. The playing is so precise, clean and fantastically melodic. God, what a great album :)

[Jeff Almeyda]

I've always thought Colin Bailey to be under-rated. He's one of the true musical players running around now, his phrasing is just beautiful.
He's also insanely technically accomplished. But, his phrasing ideas are where it's at for me. His bass drum playing really brought home, to me anyway, just how well (the amount it's used and how tasteful it can be when used correctly) it can be used as a third limb and stepped up my use of the bass drum in both comping and fill/solo phrasing.



Colin is a stunning player. His single bass tehnique is just crazy. His taste is impeccable. Joe Morello is a big fan of his as well as a personal friend.

Joe is a pretty big guy and Colin is really small. Back in the day, Colin would sit on Joe's lap and pretend to be a vertriloquist dummy. It was supposedly hilarious.

Yes, an underrated drummer. I've gone thorugh his book (Bass Drum Control) and the CD that comes with it is daunting. Colin plays at JoJo speeds on single kick. I was shocked by his chops when I first heard the CD.

Not as under-rated as Neil Peart but underrated nonetheless. ;)

[low-tech]

Derek Roddy came to mind, then Dave DiCenso also came to mind, but I'm a bit confused here...

To me, being underrated doesn't have much to do with being well known or not. I see underrated as being considered not as good as the judged element (in this case; a drummer) really is. We all know what being famous or not means.

Am I misunderstanding something? I've been away from england for so long...


Regards,
Christopher.

i agree with roddy for the instructional stuff he did outside of his forte, the metal stuff.

but it would be good to see him in a band situation outside of metal or just a very different metal approach if its within that genre.

he's a really clean,technical player, but a little too orthodox as a metal drummer. he's a drum machine<granted this is the desired effect anyway>

so as far as the "extreme" stuff<i dont know what else to call music that falls under death,black metal and grindcore>.

gabe serbian of the locust

whoever drums for necrophagist<i keep forgetting his name>

the DEP drummer, im bad with names, sorry

these guys are moreso chops and blinding speed, they are underrated in that sense. they are specialist, not demonstratibly well-rounded or at least i havent heard some <unrelated genre-wise>other band they had been in, playing other styles.

i think the well-rounded thing is important in accessing who is underrated.

[Drum-Head]

I agree with roddy for the instructional stuff he did outside of his forte, the metal stuff.

but it would be good to see him in a band situation outside of metal or just a very different metal approach if its within that genre.

he's a really clean,technical player, but a little too orthodox as a metal drummer. he's a drum machine<granted this is the desired effect anyway

Have you heard the jazz and blues recordings he did? If not, I can upload them for you if you are interested.

[low-tech]

Have you heard the jazz and blues recordings he did? If not, I can upload them for you if you are interested.


i seen a youtube vid of derrick playing jazz the was ridiculed a while ago here......it was pretty bad, his other instructional stuff seemed cool tho, but it was him alone

but if you have an actual jazz or blues recording, like him playing with a jazz or blues band id very like to hear it.

[Drum-Head]

i seen a youtube vid of derrick playing jazz the was ridiculed a while ago here......it was pretty bad, his other instructional stuff seemed cool tho, but it was him alone

but if you have an actual jazz or blues recording, like him playing with a jazz or blues band id very like to hear it.

The clips that I have convinced me - but I'm just an ordinary drummer - however, I'm pretty much sure jazz purists will not like his jazz playing, Give me 'till tomorrow (it's very late over here now and I have class tomorrow) and I'll PM you that stuff.


Christopher.

[khanedeliac]

Oliver Charles (Ben Harper) Fight For Your Mind - great groove and finesse

Luke Flowers (Cinematic Orchestra) - this guy has amazing jazz feel and a great texture to his drumming, check them out, they are brilliant.

[badlydubbedsean]

I think that Andy Burrows of Razorlight is underrated. He's great to watch and very creative. A sort of modern version of Stu Copeland, maybe not as good. Also the drummer from the Specials. Great grooves on the more acoustic versions of songs.

[thombo]

My pick would be Prairie Prince: most people don't even know who is, or they think his band
the 'Tubes' is a knock off of Kiss which is way off base or just "White Punks on Dope"
but they also did Proud to be an American which is a great rock and roll tune. But Prairie
is the guy who got me to want to play drums again. You serious drummer out there have to check out his Tubes recordings especially from their first album 'The Tubes' and their second album 'Young and Rich'. He will surprise you; his works are creative and awe inspiring.
From the first album listen to "Boy Crazy" firstly and from" Young and Rich" listen to 'Pimp and then Brighter Day' firstly and in that order and you will know what I'm talking about.

Prairie has recorded with George Harrison, Todd Rundgren and many other greats, and actually started the band "Journey" too,
and something like 30 years ago Yamaha spotted his talent and has endorsed him to this day, Paiste too. Check him out you'll be glad you did

Later
Thombo

[leo_battery]

i belive that in this forum there are a few people who does not like metal drumming but there is a drummer that deserves attention to all of you,, is nick barker from dimmu borgir and i think that he is under rated in this forum ,,he has a special way to play that is not just to play like a rithm machine ,besides that he play extreme metal i think that he has well define concept about drumming ,,just to compare extreme metal drummers who compare dereck rody to nick barker ,,just analize the work of each two and you will see ,, check this http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z7vgzTth7Cs

[badlydubbedsean]

Wow leo, just seen the video. That guy can play! I'm not really into metal, but he plays great! Well, hes a little overweight, but doesn't stop him having a good go at that kit!

[Alex M]

I think that Andy Burrows of Razorlight is underrated. He's great to watch and very creative. A sort of modern version of Stu Copeland, maybe not as good. Also the drummer from the Specials. Great grooves on the more acoustic versions of songs.

Good call on Andy Burrows, I really like his style....great feel. I believe he was a jazz drummer when younger.

Other underrated :-

Zak Starkey (The Who, Oasis), just watching him on tv performing with The Who as part of the BBC Proms, very tidy, great chops.

Jason Cooper (The Cure)...very impressive.

Charlie Watts......Surprised he doesn't get more mentions, love his sound and feel....'Can't you hear me knocking?' & 'Paint It Black'.

[h3r3tic]

Virgil Donati, Derek Roddy, Marco Minnemann, Tomas Haake, I CAN GO FOREVER LOL
most of those I love hearing and learn from are ALL UNDER-RATED :)

[rendezvous_drummer]

Heretic, you think they're under-rated? They are pretty damn good drummers.

[MagnZ]

Daniel Erlandsson... You only hear about his brother Adrian, but daniel is a great drummer. I think his playing is much more exciting then Adrian's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QumA1nvlbpk&mode=related&search=

[Zildjian 242]

Honestly I think Carmine Appice is the most underratted... He pretty much started rock drumming, Has had a sucessful book going on for 30 years(?). and so on.

Never hear to much about him, we should

[dizkneelande]

rofl virgil is sooo underrated

[zj2302]

maureen tucker (of the velvet underground)

[JT1]

Larray Mullen JR to me is a great drummer one of the first concerts i ever watched was live at RedRock and his drumming really did inspire me its a shame he is under-rated. Also Steve Hewitt from Placebo although i dont particually like there music i have to say he has some moments of brilliance especially with fills.

[abe]

PRINCE-
he did all the things that great drummer should do , while he was side men for him self- that's right he played all drum lines in at least 3 of his albums. He was simple( in pockets), keeped good time, made simple fills, and made it just Funky. And he has decent technique too...
ah and he's playing only keybords, bassguitar, guitar and singing too ;)

[the skin man]

I'd say Peter Donald is hugely underrated.

[drummerboy147]

i think jose pasillas of incubus is a underated drummer. if you hear some of their earlier albums such as Fungus Amongus, S.C.I.E.N.C.E, or the Enjoy Incubus EP, he lays down a great funk groove with some metal influences.

[drummerboy147]

jose passilas of Incubus is pretty underated. he lays down some nice simple grooves to carry the music.
joey castillo is a monster on the kit but he dosent realy get to show it.
matt chamberlain is exceptional unfortunately hes not that well known.
and finally i think muses drummer is good, has simple beats, but he has some skills as well.

[Synthetik]

Gary Mallaber.
Rarely, if ever has someone contributed so much to so many staples of classic rock, and yet few knows who he is.

[Ozzy Biz]

Gary Mallaber.
Rarely, if ever has someone contributed so much to so many staples of classic rock, and yet few knows who he is.

You're right... I don't know who he is. What are the bands he played for?

Biz

[Synthetik]

You're right... I don't know who he is. What are the bands he played for?

Biz


The list is too big to put just here. So have a look:
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14766&highlight=MaLLABER

[Ozzy Biz]

Ahhh.... I actually have quite a few CDs that he has played on then. I think I have every song he's done with Van Morrison, Springsteen, and the Steve Miller Band.

Yeah, he now gets my vote for this thread.

Biz

[Ozzy Biz]

John Stanier of Helmet, Battles, Tomahawk and Mark of Cain.

The Mark of Cain are from Australia.... My old drum teacher Campbell Robinson used to play for them for a while. They got pretty big for a while. Check out the other artists o this concert poster....

Biz

[fusssion]

Dont' know if he's been mentioned but.....

Rayford Griffin is quite the Fusion / Funk guy!!

Listen to his stuff w/ Jean-Luc Ponty in the 70's-90's! Another OPEN handed player!

[shuffle]

Dont' know if he's been mentioned but.....

Rayford Griffin is quite the Fusion / Funk guy!!

Listen to his stuff w/ Jean-Luc Ponty in the 70's-90's! Another OPEN handed player!


He ! I did mention him ! (post 162)

You know what, I'll do exactly as you suggested and I'll play "Mystical Adventures" right away... his best one with JLP in my opinion.